Chiefs Chiefs cut someone to make room for NT Anthony Toribio - Page 8

**The Bad Guy** · 09-06-2010, 12:41 PM

Yeah, I don't know why in the hell people would rather have Hey-Bey over Crabtree. Crabtree runs great routes, has better hands. The speed thing is overrated when you have stonehands.

RedThat · 09-06-2010, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Yeah, I don't know why in the hell people would rather have Hey-Bey over Crabtree. Crabtree runs great routes, has better hands. The speed thing is overrated when you have stonehands.

At the end of the day, it really comes down to who is the more polished player? I'll take Crabtree 9x out of 10 over Heyward Bey.

Heyward Bey's speed is overemphasized because we all know Al Davis is infatuated by speed.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad · 09-06-2010, 11:47 PM

I'd like to see some research that supports the idea that being the vulture of the NFL is productive way to build a winning team. I'm not saying the research doesn't exist or that there are not players I'd like to see replace a certain 7 or 8 guys on the chiefs.... But it's a reach to really get upset about this. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see how a ton of Jamon Merediths help this team's future. I'm not against stop-gap salary casualties either, but we already have Thomas Jones

**BossChief** · 09-06-2010, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemon_Pie

I'd like to see some research that supports the idea that being the vulture of the NFL is productive way to build a winning team. I'm not saying the research doesn't exist or that there are not players I'd like to see replace a certain 7 or 8 guys on the chiefs.... But it's a reach to really get upset about this. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see how a ton of Jamon Merediths help this team's future. I'm not against stop-gap salary casualties either, but we already have Thomas Jones

Oh ****

Just ****ing look at our roster after the first 20 or so players...that being generous.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-07-2010, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemon_Pie

I'd like to see some research that supports the idea that being the vulture of the NFL is productive way to build a winning team. I'm not saying the research doesn't exist or that there are not players I'd like to see replace a certain 7 or 8 guys on the chiefs.... But it's a reach to really get upset about this. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see how a ton of Jamon Merediths help this team's future. I'm not against stop-gap salary casualties either, but we already have Thomas Jones

You are right that you won't build a Super Bowl winner on the backs of waiver wire pickups, but think about this:

Tony Richardson was waiver wire trash for this team, as were Brian Waters and Casey Wiegmann.

3 of the 11 guys on the best offense we ever had were guys that other teams released that we picked up. In Waters' and Richardson's case, they were shitcanned as rookies.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad · 09-07-2010, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You are right that you won't build a Super Bowl winner on the backs of waiver wire pickups, but think about this:

Tony Richardson was waiver wire trash for this team, as were Brian Waters and Casey Wiegmann.

3 of the 11 guys on the best offense we ever had were guys that other teams released that we picked up. In Waters' and Richardson's case, they were shitcanned as rookies.

I understand that. When you have one of the best offenses in the history of the NFL...it probably means you got lucky in some areas. That's not all too common. Or maybe it's more common than I think.... But it's a 95% chance that the guys just end up going from team to team before their 4 year window is up. I agree... I would like to see the chiefs bring in up to 8 new faces...but that's just because the chiefs have been so awful in developing their own talent in the last decade. Still, I don't see the optimism in it

chiefzilla1501 · 09-07-2010, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemon_Pie

I'd like to see some research that supports the idea that being the vulture of the NFL is productive way to build a winning team. I'm not saying the research doesn't exist or that there are not players I'd like to see replace a certain 7 or 8 guys on the chiefs.... But it's a reach to really get upset about this. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see how a ton of Jamon Merediths help this team's future. I'm not against stop-gap salary casualties either, but we already have Thomas Jones

I agree. I'd also like to see some research that supports the idea that teams are built off of free free agency and waiver wire pickups. Do people really think the front office is too cheap because we're not picking up an $850,000 1-year contract waiver wire guy?

99% chance a waiver wire guy will never be anything more than a 1-year contributor or roster bubble guy. We can bitch all we want about payroll, but the reason the Chiefs lose is not because they're cheap, but because they haven't drafted well in years.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad · 09-07-2010, 12:05 AM

**** you and your facepalm, dickshit. Worst emoticon ever.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 09-07-2010, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemon_Pie

**** you and your facepalm, dickshit. Worst emoticon ever.

Struck a nerve?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-07-2010, 12:11 AM

If you look back at the Colts 2006 SB team, Gary Brackett, Nick Harper, Jeff Saturday, and Raheem Brock were either UDFAs or rookie waiver wire pickups by the Colts, as were Willie Parker and James Harrison for the Steelers.

The fact of the matter is that you can't fill every hole with 7 draft picks a year. You have to be able to not only scout UDFAs in May, but also other teams' cuts during the final cut down.

You aren't going to find Peyton Manning doing that, but you can find valuable role players, and in rarer cases solid starters and even Pro Bowlers.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad · 09-07-2010, 12:47 AM

Also... Is there a greater rate of James Harrisons on super bowl teams than say a Pierre Thomas?

Another thing worth mentioning.... How many of the successful waiver wire guys were given roster spots by another team after final cuts? No doubt that a good number of these 600+ players will go on to have success with other teams, but that's likely after they spend a camp or two with that team starting next year. It's then that coaches will find them roles. Most teams don't wanna give up a roster spot to an unfamiliar project.

**BossChief** · 09-07-2010, 01:10 AM

For a team like ours, with half the roster being devoid of talent, we should have picked up at least 3-4 guys off the wire that would keep the back end of our roster churning so that we have a chance at finding that diamond in the rough. Otherwise, it makes the perception that we truly aren't trying...or that we are truly happy with the way the current roster sits.

Either scenario is very disheartening...wouldn't you agree?

I find it hard to swallow that with how bad our roster is that the only guy we have picked up to improve it, is a guy NOBODY has even heard of.

milkman · 09-07-2010, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

For a team like ours, with half the roster being devoid of talent, we should have picked up at least 3-4 guys off the wire that would keep the back end of our roster churning so that we have a chance at finding that diamond in the rough. Otherwise, it makes the perception that we truly aren't trying...or that we are truly happy with the way the current roster sits.

Either scenario is very disheartening...wouldn't you agree?

I find it hard to swallow that with how bad our roster is that the only guy we have picked up to improve it, is a guy NOBODY has even heard of.

Never heard of him, but I figured out what Pioli likes about him.

Signed as an UDFA last year by Miami.

**BossChief** · 09-07-2010, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Never heard of him, but I figured out what Pioli likes about him.

Signed as an UDFA last year by Miami.

are you on strike?

...

seriously though, some of us (myself included) spend 2-4 hours on most days on here reading and commenting on Chiefs and NFL dealings and I hadnt even ever heard the guys name before.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad · 09-07-2010, 01:37 AM

NOBODY. Like Brandon Carr.... He doesn't even have a draft profile OMG!

To me it's like this... We're complaining about keeping Travis Daniels over some other guy who will likely wash out. I was reading the old draft thread and it's apparent that some people take themselves way too seriously when it comes to talent evaluation. One post was particularly funny. OTWP, raging from the selection of Colin Brown, said that taking Brown ahead of (names three guys) was "inexcusable!" Now Brown ended up being a terrible pick and true WTF moment, but the three guys he mentioned have already been released by other teams. So...inexcusable? really? Now sometimes they'll get it right... like siler or something.... but you just don't know. The waiver wire is the same way. Just as likely as picking up a stud...we'll give away a Joe horn or Bernard Pollard. That said, ocallahan doesn't need to be here....anybody else you could probably make a case for.

09-06-2010, 12:41 PM	#1
The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9283645	Yeah, I don't know why in the hell people would rather have Hey-Bey over Crabtree. Crabtree runs great routes, has better hands. The speed thing is overrated when you have stonehands. __________________
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09-06-2010, 11:47 PM	#3
Rudy tossed tigger's salad Better than Nelson Join Date: Mar 2003 Casino cash: $10000400	I'd like to see some research that supports the idea that being the vulture of the NFL is productive way to build a winning team. I'm not saying the research doesn't exist or that there are not players I'd like to see replace a certain 7 or 8 guys on the chiefs.... But it's a reach to really get upset about this. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see how a ton of Jamon Merediths help this team's future. I'm not against stop-gap salary casualties either, but we already have Thomas Jones
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09-07-2010, 12:05 AM	#8
Rudy tossed tigger's salad Better than Nelson Join Date: Mar 2003 Casino cash: $10000400	**** you and your facepalm, dickshit. Worst emoticon ever.
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09-07-2010, 12:11 AM	#10
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	If you look back at the Colts 2006 SB team, Gary Brackett, Nick Harper, Jeff Saturday, and Raheem Brock were either UDFAs or rookie waiver wire pickups by the Colts, as were Willie Parker and James Harrison for the Steelers. The fact of the matter is that you can't fill every hole with 7 draft picks a year. You have to be able to not only scout UDFAs in May, but also other teams' cuts during the final cut down. You aren't going to find Peyton Manning doing that, but you can find valuable role players, and in rarer cases solid starters and even Pro Bowlers. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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09-07-2010, 12:47 AM	#11
Rudy tossed tigger's salad Better than Nelson Join Date: Mar 2003 Casino cash: $10000400	Also... Is there a greater rate of James Harrisons on super bowl teams than say a Pierre Thomas? Another thing worth mentioning.... How many of the successful waiver wire guys were given roster spots by another team after final cuts? No doubt that a good number of these 600+ players will go on to have success with other teams, but that's likely after they spend a camp or two with that team starting next year. It's then that coaches will find them roles. Most teams don't wanna give up a roster spot to an unfamiliar project.
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09-07-2010, 01:10 AM	#12
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1755912	For a team like ours, with half the roster being devoid of talent, we should have picked up at least 3-4 guys off the wire that would keep the back end of our roster churning so that we have a chance at finding that diamond in the rough. Otherwise, it makes the perception that we truly aren't trying...or that we are truly happy with the way the current roster sits. Either scenario is very disheartening...wouldn't you agree? I find it hard to swallow that with how bad our roster is that the only guy we have picked up to improve it, is a guy NOBODY has even heard of. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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09-07-2010, 01:37 AM	#15
Rudy tossed tigger's salad Better than Nelson Join Date: Mar 2003 Casino cash: $10000400	NOBODY. Like Brandon Carr.... He doesn't even have a draft profile OMG! To me it's like this... We're complaining about keeping Travis Daniels over some other guy who will likely wash out. I was reading the old draft thread and it's apparent that some people take themselves way too seriously when it comes to talent evaluation. One post was particularly funny. OTWP, raging from the selection of Colin Brown, said that taking Brown ahead of (names three guys) was "inexcusable!" Now Brown ended up being a terrible pick and true WTF moment, but the three guys he mentioned have already been released by other teams. So...inexcusable? really? Now sometimes they'll get it right... like siler or something.... but you just don't know. The waiver wire is the same way. Just as likely as picking up a stud...we'll give away a Joe horn or Bernard Pollard. That said, ocallahan doesn't need to be here....anybody else you could probably make a case for.
Posts: 17,356