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Mr. Laz · 02-13-2011, 09:16 PM

Updated: February 13, 2011, 10:01 PM ET
Sources: Sides could talk this week

By Chris Mortensen and Adam Schefter
ESPN.com

When is a proposal not a proposal? When the NFL and the NFL Players Association are involved.

According to sources familiar with the talks, last week's negotiations between the NFLPA and the NFL broke off when the union characterized their documents as an "illustration" that NFL officials believed represented a proposal for revenue sharing between owners and players.

When the NFLPA characterized documents labeled "NFLPA Proposal" as something other than a collective bargaining proposal, the NFL ended the session, a source familiar with the talks said. League representatives then met outside the room, and returned only to abort the negotiations -- without immediately rescheduling any talks, the source added.
"As often happens in collective bargaining, the parties reached a point where there was a fundamental difference on a critical issue that was not going to be reconciled that day," said NFL spokesman Greg Aiello. "The discussions were adjourned to permit both parties to assess their positions and consider how to move the process forward. Far from abandoning the process, in the first four days after the Super Bowl, we have had two meetings of our labor executive committee and negotiating team, a conference call with all 32 clubs, and a meeting with the union."
The day after negotiations broke down, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell convened a conference call with the owners of the 32 NFL teams and reported the developments of the previous day. A person familiar with that call said there was complete unanimity among the owners.
Despite the aborted Wednesday session, dialogue has continued between the two sides through smaller working groups as well as communication between Goodell and NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith. One player source said it is expected both sides will meet this week, as previously scheduled, and a management source did not refute that suggestion.
But there is a growing discord and mistrust between the two sides. Management was irritated by Smith's decision to release the owners' counter-proposal on a rookie wage scale to players and player agents, as opposed to offering a response directly to management. Even the choice of descriptive words were a source of irritation.
Whereas Smith noted that renegotiations or extensions of rookie contracts were "banned" until after the third year, a management official said the proposal "allows" for those renegotiations or extensions after the third year. Regardless, the intent and meaning are the same.
One person connected to the NFLPA said NFL owners were continuing to be "unreasonable," which accounted for the disintegration of last week's meeting.
Now, there are knowledgeable sources that previously were optimistic that CBA negotiations would not result in any lost games next year that are growing increasingly pessimistic. One source said last week's flare up was symbolic and illuminated the schism between the two sides. Now, there is a general feeling that some or all of the 2011 season may be at risk, though there is plenty of time for the two sides to continue talking and trying to bridge their vast differences.
Chris Mortensen is ESPN's senior NFL analyst. Adam Schefter is ESPN.com's NFL Insider.

philfree · 02-14-2011, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

I've never understood they get paid to play a game crap either. Eminem gets paid 10's of millions a year to sing, and he really hasn't in like 5 years. He never took an NFL hit in his life. He too is the product and gets maybe even 100's of millions a year yet no one is bitching about that.

I wonder if Eminem actually gets 60% of all the revenue?

PhilFree

shitgoose · 02-14-2011, 01:37 PM

This is going to **** up years of hard work if they don't hammer this deal out.

"Sunday, Donny, is the American day of football. That means I don't turn on the oven, ride in car, spend time with my family, mow the grass, and I sure as shit don't ****ing let my wife think its a day in which she has any control."

**penguinz** · 02-14-2011, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

I wonder if Eminem actually gets 60% of all the revenue?

PhilFree

The artist usually makes about $1.00 off of a CD sale. So if there are 4 members and they split equally they each make a quarter off of a CD sale.

They make their money from touring. (after they pay the label back any $ borrowed to fund the tour).

philfree · 02-14-2011, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by penguinz

The artist usually makes about $1.00 off of a CD sale. So if there are 4 members and they split equally they each make a quarter off of a CD sale.

They make their money from touring. (after they pay the label back any $ borrowed to fund the tour).

I haven't purchased a CD lately but we're talking about $15.00? Yeah he's probably not getting 60% of all revenue generated. Record Companies and Agents.

PhilFree

WV · 02-14-2011, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

The average NFL salary is 900,000 dollars. It isn't an exorbitant salary unless you're talking about top tier QBs. Secondly, this viewpoint that "they play a game" keeps getting brought up. Yes, they "play a game", a dangerous game, a game that takes a significant number of years off their lives, and significantly affects the quality of those years they have left. They trade those years for money, and I don't understand why people think they should just take whatever line of bullshit the owners throw at them.

Ok, by your logic the average NFL salary being $900,000 coupled with the average NFL career being 3 years....that works out to them making 2.7 million over their careers. Pardon me if I don't get out a hanky to cry for them. I'm pretty sure a high percentage of this board could survive quite well on 2.7 million dollars for 3 years service. You think a police officer or soldier would be ok with that? After all they have pretty dangerous jobs too.

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

I've never understood they get paid to play a game crap either. Eminem gets paid 10's of millions a year to sing, and he really hasn't in like 5 years. He never took an NFL hit in his life. He too is the product and gets maybe even 100's of millions a year yet no one is bitching about that.

That's a whole other thread and as a matter of fact I think that's BS too, but again that's another thread. I'd rather like to see Eminem take an NFL hit.

Brock · 02-14-2011, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by WVChiefFan

Ok, by your logic the average NFL salary being $900,000 coupled with the average NFL career being 3 years....that works out to them making 2.7 million over their careers. Pardon me if I don't get out a hanky to cry for them. I'm pretty sure a high percentage of this board could survive quite well on 2.7 million dollars for 3 years service. You think a police officer or soldier would be ok with that? After all they have pretty dangerous jobs too.

2.7 million minus, what, 60 percent taxes? Plus the likelihood that your body's screwed up and hurts all the time and you're probably not going to see 60? How much money policemen or soldiers make isn't relevant, they're not in a business that makes billions of dollars of profit off of their work.

WV · 02-14-2011, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

2.7 million minus, what, 60 percent taxes? Plus the likelihood that your body's screwed up and hurts all the time and you're probably not going to see 60? How much money policemen or soldiers make isn't relevant, they're not in a business that makes billions of dollars of profit off of their work.

First off you were talking about averages and I hardly think that the average guy making the 2.7 million is going to be physically debilitated forever after just three years. Not only that the average life expectancy of an NFL player is not less than 60. They've only just begun to research any of that and the worst ones are O and D linemen because they're fat.
The policemen and soldiers are only irrelevant because your picking and choosing. You used the analogy of the dangerous aspect of their livelyhood as justification for their salaries. I certainly would think they would fall into that.

I don't have any numbers or stats to back it up, but i would be willing to bet there are more millionaires in the NFL than not and its not from their degrees. So again sorry I don't feel for them.

Chiefnj2 · 02-14-2011, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

Still, I have to wonder how the veterans feel about a kid coming out as a Junior getting paid more in a year than they've made throughout their entire career. That's gotta sting a little.

FAX

Probably the same as Redskin players who watched Haynesworth break the bank during a contract year and not bother showing up to help the team all of last year.

vailpass · 02-14-2011, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Probably the same as Redskin players who watched Haynesworth break the bank during a contract year and not bother showing up to help the team all of last year.

Fat Albert got me to wondering if there are any failure to perform clauses in NFL contracts.

Brock · 02-14-2011, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by WVChiefFan

I don't have any numbers or stats to back it up.

I already knew that.

WV · 02-14-2011, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

I already knew that.

I guess common sense is also optional.

Brock · 02-14-2011, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by WVChiefFan

I guess common sense is also optional.

It appears so.

Swanman · 02-14-2011, 03:34 PM

I am really torn on this issue. I don't really feel sorry for players that get paid millions to play a game (and wreck their bodies in many cases, not ignoring that). But at the same time, the owners, by and large, are despicale c**tfaces so I have to side with the players if forced to pick a side.

**MahiMike** · 02-14-2011, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

The owners are banking on the fact the fans will turn on the players if a lockout occurs. That can be the only reason for their brazen attitude towards the players.

I'm firmly pulling for the players with this one.

Not me. Nowhere in the world do the employees get 60% of the revenue.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-14-2011, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike

Not me. Nowhere in the world do the employees get 60% of the revenue.

Where else in the world (outside of professional sports) are the employees also the product being sold?

02-13-2011, 09:16 PM
Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	NFLPA vs Owners drama continues Updated: February 13, 2011, 10:01 PM ET Sources: Sides could talk this week By Chris Mortensen and Adam Schefter ESPN.com When is a proposal not a proposal? When the NFL and the NFL Players Association are involved. According to sources familiar with the talks, last week's negotiations between the NFLPA and the NFL broke off when the union characterized their documents as an "illustration" that NFL officials believed represented a proposal for revenue sharing between owners and players. When the NFLPA characterized documents labeled "NFLPA Proposal" as something other than a collective bargaining proposal, the NFL ended the session, a source familiar with the talks said. League representatives then met outside the room, and returned only to abort the negotiations -- without immediately rescheduling any talks, the source added. "As often happens in collective bargaining, the parties reached a point where there was a fundamental difference on a critical issue that was not going to be reconciled that day," said NFL spokesman Greg Aiello. "The discussions were adjourned to permit both parties to assess their positions and consider how to move the process forward. Far from abandoning the process, in the first four days after the Super Bowl, we have had two meetings of our labor executive committee and negotiating team, a conference call with all 32 clubs, and a meeting with the union." The day after negotiations broke down, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell convened a conference call with the owners of the 32 NFL teams and reported the developments of the previous day. A person familiar with that call said there was complete unanimity among the owners. Despite the aborted Wednesday session, dialogue has continued between the two sides through smaller working groups as well as communication between Goodell and NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith. One player source said it is expected both sides will meet this week, as previously scheduled, and a management source did not refute that suggestion. But there is a growing discord and mistrust between the two sides. Management was irritated by Smith's decision to release the owners' counter-proposal on a rookie wage scale to players and player agents, as opposed to offering a response directly to management. Even the choice of descriptive words were a source of irritation. Whereas Smith noted that renegotiations or extensions of rookie contracts were "banned" until after the third year, a management official said the proposal "allows" for those renegotiations or extensions after the third year. Regardless, the intent and meaning are the same. One person connected to the NFLPA said NFL owners were continuing to be "unreasonable," which accounted for the disintegration of last week's meeting. Now, there are knowledgeable sources that previously were optimistic that CBA negotiations would not result in any lost games next year that are growing increasingly pessimistic. One source said last week's flare up was symbolic and illuminated the schism between the two sides. Now, there is a general feeling that some or all of the 2011 season may be at risk, though there is plenty of time for the two sides to continue talking and trying to bridge their vast differences. Chris Mortensen is ESPN's senior NFL analyst. Adam Schefter is ESPN.com's NFL Insider.
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shitgoose Veteran Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Wichita Casino cash: $3792833	This is going to ** up years of hard work if they don't hammer this deal out. "Sunday, Donny, is the American day of football. That means I don't turn on the oven, ride in car, spend time with my family, mow the grass, and I sure as shit don't **ing let my wife think its a day in which she has any control." __________________
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Swanman It's a league game, Dude Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Itasca, IL Casino cash: $9967354	I am really torn on this issue. I don't really feel sorry for players that get paid millions to play a game (and wreck their bodies in many cases, not ignoring that). But at the same time, the owners, by and large, are despicale c**tfaces so I have to side with the players if forced to pick a side.
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