Chiefs I owe Kyle Orton an apology... - Page 8

htismaqe · 12-18-2011, 03:42 PM

and quite a few people here should be doling them out as well...

Leonard Pope? Big catches. Barry Richardson? Nice job.

Same cast of characters, same playcalling (McCluster up the middle, anyone?)...

Yet Orton has 300 yards passing in a game where we led the entire way.

Yeah, I wanted to see Stanzi play and I still do.

But thank you Kyle Orton for making it ABUNDANTLY clear how much of a waste Matt Cassel is...

mcan · 12-18-2011, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

bullshit ... playcalling was nothing like it has been

did we run a DMC draw at all?

our redzone playcalling sucked but other than that Muir > Haley

We did run one DMC draw play. It was a stretch draw, and it got blown up in the backfield, as have most of our stretch draws, most of the year.

SenselessChiefsFan · 12-18-2011, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Translation: I'm looking for way out of this but I can't find one that allows me to exit and not look like a fool.
I have seen Orton for five years. One year doesn't completely change history.

#1) Haley is gone. My point has always been that Haley sucks. He is gone.

I don't care if the Chiefs keep Orton or Cassel. I just didn't blame Cassel for Haley's ineffectiveness.

mcan · 12-18-2011, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

The first screen to McClain was the SAME screen we ran against Minnesota.

Orton found his 2nd read (McClain), Cassel grounded it.

I'd have to see the tape. Looked like he had linemen out in front and it was pretty clearly designed to go to him. but I defer, since I'm going purely on memory alone.

SenselessChiefsFan · 12-18-2011, 04:40 PM

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Nevermind the fact that it only happened like three times since the instant Cassel went down.

Damn that Todd Haley!

It shoud never happen. Haley looks like such a fool today. He is lucky that Cassel got injured.

Cassel would have had similar success and then everyone would know it was all Haley.

But, at least now, some can try to argue that it was Cassel.

And, that isn't me thinking Cassel is great... it is me just realizing that Haley is awful.

htismaqe · 12-18-2011, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SenselessChiefsFan

It shoud never happen. Haley looks like such a fool today. He is lucky that Cassel got injured.

Cassel would have had similar success and then everyone would know it was all Haley.

But, at least now, some can try to argue that it was Cassel.

And, that isn't me thinking Cassel is great... it is me just realizing that Haley is awful.

mcan · 12-18-2011, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Have you seen how effective any screen we ran this year was prior to this game?

Or, I should say inefffective.

Even with the blitzes before today, the whole defense has been on the screens we've run before because the defense was already there.

A screen can't work against a defense that doesn't have anyone protecting the deep areas.

There is some truth to that. But again, that's more about clearing out the safeties, which is done by designing decoy routes. It's not easy to do against 8 man fronts, because your guys don't have time to get down field before you have to release the ball. But overall, this team (imo) changed its philosophy from DEFEND the blitz to PUNISH the blitz, and again (imo) successfully SCHEMED a win today. They didn't overpower or out talent or out will. They didn't have to rely on a dumbass fumble. They didn't need a miracle. they didn't inch one out, by being scrappy but determined. They just... Looked like a professional football team that schemed to put their talented players in a position to win a game. Something I haven't seen Haley do. Ever.

NJChiefsFan · 12-18-2011, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SenselessChiefsFan

It shoud never happen. Haley looks like such a fool today. He is lucky that Cassel got injured.

Cassel would have had similar success and then everyone would know it was all Haley.

But, at least now, some can try to argue that it was Cassel.

And, that isn't me thinking Cassel is great... it is me just realizing that Haley is awful.

You still give Cassel way too much credit. I also think you miss the point that Crennel is using a QB Haley never had, accept when he got hurt. Haley deserved to get fired, but wake up about Cassel. Did you ever watch his mechanics, throws, or reading of a defense? Its amazing how much football people watch and still don't learn anything.

milkman · 12-18-2011, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SenselessChiefsFan

It shoud never happen. Haley looks like such a fool today. He is lucky that Cassel got injured.

Cassel would have had similar success and then everyone would know it was all Haley.

But, at least now, some can try to argue that it was Cassel.

And, that isn't me thinking Cassel is great... it is me just realizing that Haley is awful.

Your nearly unmatched moronacy is awe inspiring.

threebag · 12-18-2011, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SenselessChiefsFan

Of course. Same everything. I mean, other than the head coach, but that made no difference.

I will say that Orton played well. And, I am glad the Chiefs have more options at QB going into next year.

But, to say the situation is the same is foolish.

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You just can't handle the truth, can you?

The simple fact is that if Haley wasn't such a baby, intent on spiting Pioli by starting Palko, this argument would have been over 3 weeks ago.

You should thank Haley because he gave you an extra 3 games to wiggle your way out of your ridiculous defenses of Cassel.

Instead you choose to die on that hill. Good luck with that.

Can we finally change it to SenselessCasselFan.

Chiefnj2 · 12-18-2011, 04:47 PM

Orton is still a backup.

htismaqe · 12-18-2011, 04:48 PM

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Orton is still a backup.

Exactly.

And by that measure, Cassel isn't even that...

htismaqe · 12-18-2011, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mcan

There is some truth to that. But again, that's more about clearing out the safeties, which is done by designing decoy routes. It's not easy to do against 8 man fronts, because your guys don't have time to get down field before you have to release the ball. But overall, this team (imo) changed its philosophy from DEFEND the blitz to PUNISH the blitz, and again (imo) successfully SCHEMED a win today. They didn't overpower or out talent or out will. They didn't have to rely on a dumbass fumble. They didn't need a miracle. they didn't inch one out, by being scrappy but determined. They just... Looked like a professional football team that schemed to put their talented players in a position to win a game. Something I haven't seen Haley do. Ever.

Why would the previous regime SCHEME to punish a blitz when the QB simply couldn't do it?

Chiefnj2 · 12-18-2011, 04:50 PM

People act like Orton threw 5 TDs today.

htismaqe · 12-18-2011, 04:56 PM

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People act like Orton threw 5 TDs today.

Really? Is that what you REALLY think?

**Bowser** · 12-18-2011, 04:57 PM

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People act like Orton threw 5 TDs today.

Hardly. People are acting like they saw good QB play out of a Chiefs team the first time in forever.

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