Chiefs Reid Draft Record is Nothing to Get Excited About - Page 8

Shox · 01-04-2013, 10:20 PM

I recognize the Eagles have picked in the bottom third almost all the time, but if you look at this draft history there are really not very many standout names and few pro bowl players.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co.../phi/draft.htm

The first rounders are especially troubling. While several have been productive NFL players only one would really qualify as a stud. He loves to draft DT 4 in 12 years add in a couple of DE and 50% of the time the defensive front gets the first round pick.

2012 Fletcher Cox DT (TBD)
2011 Danny Watkins OL (TBD)
2010 Brandon Graham DE (TBD)
2009 Jeremy Maclin WR (???Maybe/Maybe not)
2008 no pick
2007 no pick
2006 Brodrick Bunkley DT (Hit)
2005 Mike Patterson DT (Hit)
2004 Shawn Andrews G (Hit)
2003 Jerome McDougle DE (Bust)
2002 Litto Sheppard DB (Hit)
2001 Freddie Mitchell WR (Bust)
2000 Cory Simon DT (Hit)
1999 McNabb (by far the cream of the crop)

Now I have to give Reid credit he seems to be able to get some big names in FA. I would say he overpays and many of the big name FA do not perform up to the level they should.

There is more to like than dislike with the Reid hire, but I remain very doubtful he will ever bring a SB championship to the Chiefs.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-05-2013, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Shox

Completely wrong. First rounders give you cornerstones. Look at the Patriots, Giants, and other teams who have picked at the bottom half of the draft for the past decade. They are all much more impressive than the Eagles.

Bullshit

aturnis · 01-05-2013, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Shox

Again as I stated in my original post. He has managed to draft some starting caliber players with his 1st rounders, but they are far from an impressive group. There are no stud players outside of McNabb in the group. You compare that to most of the other NFL teams and it is below average.

I REALLY REALLY think you need to rethink your definition of AVERAGE.

BradBigglestein · 01-05-2013, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Bump

most Chiefs fans, that have been around a while, have a pr-condidtioned thing
in their brains that make them extremely pessimistic. It's easy to look for all of his faults and expect that to happen to us, since you know, we've been burned in the past. A lot.

It's a good hire. But having followed the guy for 14 years, I'm trying to give the lowdown to Chiefs fans as for what to expect. Both positively and negatively. So you aren't blindsided when the flaws become apparent. Now how excited you get about the move us up to the fans. I think you should be excited. He's a good coach and a proven winner.

RINGLEADER · 01-05-2013, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

14 years, 2 busts.

That's a pretty BIG deal.

Yeah, I don't get the point of this thread at all. Especially when you stack it up against the Chiefs over the past four years...

gta0012 · 01-05-2013, 01:21 AM

Ried drafts best player available for the most part. He does not get into hype or listen all to well to what the media says. That is why he has built a solid team. However, I do feel he occasionally misses on higher risk/reward players. But he will Draft way better than anything we've had recently.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-05-2013, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life

Hugh Janus, change ur name to Hugh's Anus

Shut the **** up, n00b

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-05-2013, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BradBigglestein

It's a good hire. But having followed the guy for 14 years, I'm trying to give the lowdown to Chiefs fans as for what to expect. Both positively and negatively. So you aren't blindsided when the flaws become apparent. Now how excited you get about the move us up to the fans. I think you should be excited. He's a good coach and a proven winner.

No coach is perfect or without flaws, including the all-time greats.

This is the best Chiefs hire since 1989. Hopefully, he'll have success that Marty never found.

Now is not the time to criticizes the hire.

**BossChief** · 01-05-2013, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BradBigglestein

It's a good hire. But having followed the guy for 14 years, I'm trying to give the lowdown to Chiefs fans as for what to expect. Both positively and negatively. So you aren't blindsided when the flaws become apparent. Now how excited you get about the move us up to the fans. I think you should be excited. He's a good coach and a proven winner.

Do you have a way of linking me to when the news guy was asking Reid about KCs quarterback position and he said "we have the first pick"?

NJChiefsFan · 01-05-2013, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Do you have a way of linking me to when the news guy was asking Reid about KCs quarterback position and he said "we have the first pick"?

I asked him that the other day. He said he didn't have it or couldn't.

Ace Gunner · 01-05-2013, 05:50 AM

My understanding on Reid at Philly is that he did not have much to do with FO and likes it this way. All NFL coaches have some input on FA/draftees because of the type of systems they run, but few actually have influence or "say".

CoMoChief · 01-05-2013, 06:00 AM

JFC people.

Are people really bitching over a coach that has more playoff wins in the last 14yrs, than this franchise does in it's entire history?

This may be the best hire we've had since Marty and people are going to bitch about his drafts? Let's talk about our drafts for a second. Let's talk about the 2009 draft or the 2011 draft or the 06 or 07 or any draft under Dick Vermeil.

This is a major improvement people....chill the **** out.

AussieChiefsFan · 01-05-2013, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

JFC people.

Are people really bitching over a coach that has more playoff wins in the last 14yrs, than this franchise does in it's entire history?

This may be the best hire we've had since Marty and people are going to bitch about his drafts? Let's talk about our drafts for a second. Let's talk about the 2009 draft or the 2011 draft or the 06 or 07 or any draft under Dick Vermeil.

This is a major improvement people....chill the **** out.

Ace Gunner · 01-05-2013, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

JFC people.

Are people really bitching over a coach that has more playoff wins in the last 14yrs, than this franchise does in it's entire history?

This may be the best hire we've had since Marty and people are going to bitch about his drafts? Let's talk about our drafts for a second. Let's talk about the 2009 draft or the 2011 draft or the 06 or 07 or any draft under Dick Vermeil.

This is a major improvement people....chill the **** out.

**TimeForWasp** · 01-05-2013, 06:17 AM

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**mlyonsd** · 01-05-2013, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

JFC people.

Are people really bitching over a coach that has more playoff wins in the last 14yrs, than this franchise does in it's entire history?

This may be the best hire we've had since Marty and people are going to bitch about his drafts? Let's talk about our drafts for a second. Let's talk about the 2009 draft or the 2011 draft or the 06 or 07 or any draft under Dick Vermeil.

This is a major improvement people....chill the **** out.

Most excellent point.

01-04-2013, 10:20 PM
Shox Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Casino cash: $10005765	Reid Draft Record is Nothing to Get Excited About I recognize the Eagles have picked in the bottom third almost all the time, but if you look at this draft history there are really not very many standout names and few pro bowl players. http://www.pro-football-reference.co.../phi/draft.htm The first rounders are especially troubling. While several have been productive NFL players only one would really qualify as a stud. He loves to draft DT 4 in 12 years add in a couple of DE and 50% of the time the defensive front gets the first round pick. 2012 Fletcher Cox DT (TBD) 2011 Danny Watkins OL (TBD) 2010 Brandon Graham DE (TBD) 2009 Jeremy Maclin WR (???Maybe/Maybe not) 2008 no pick 2007 no pick 2006 Brodrick Bunkley DT (Hit) 2005 Mike Patterson DT (Hit) 2004 Shawn Andrews G (Hit) 2003 Jerome McDougle DE (Bust) 2002 Litto Sheppard DB (Hit) 2001 Freddie Mitchell WR (Bust) 2000 Cory Simon DT (Hit) 1999 McNabb (by far the cream of the crop) Now I have to give Reid credit he seems to be able to get some big names in FA. I would say he overpays and many of the big name FA do not perform up to the level they should. There is more to like than dislike with the Reid hire, but I remain very doubtful he will ever bring a SB championship to the Chiefs.
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