Football Kubiak plans to accept Broncos HC offer if offered - Page 8

Chiefs Pantalones · 01-18-2015, 11:32 AM

According to Schefter.

Mile High Mania · 01-19-2015, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor

When the best qb you've ever drafted is Jay Cutler... That's a pretty poor qb drafting record. Not that ours is better, but they've never proven they can draft an elite qb either.

Paint it however you like...

Trade for an Elway after the draft, or be lucky enough to suck so bad that at the #1 overall pick you land Manning, then Luck.

FloridaMan88 · 01-19-2015, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones

Kubiak has 3 winning seasons in 8 with one playoff victory.

Elway fires Fox in an effort to find "championship experience." He hires a head coach with a career .488 winning percentage and that has never made a conference title game. Hmm.

Seems more likely that Elway just wants a puppet/yes-man who obediently follow his every command.

Randallflagg · 01-19-2015, 10:13 AM

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Seems more likely that Elway just wants a puppet/yes-man who obediently follow his every command.

Ding Ding ding!

We have a winnah!!!

kcbubb · 01-19-2015, 11:19 AM

Peyton will learn Kubiaks zone offense. Peyton has already shown humility in learning to abandon his offense for a run first offense. This give the donks Peyton in 2015 and Kubs/Elway get one year to determine whether they need to resign Brock or draft a QB in 2016.

This is bad news for Chiefs fans. I was hoping for a big broncos slump after Peyton left in 2016. But if Kubs can develop Brock into a good QB, we may have real problems with Denver for a long time. Elway is looking long term with this hire.

listopencil · 01-19-2015, 11:54 AM

Looks like they made it official.

Gravedigger · 01-19-2015, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

Peyton will learn Kubiaks zone offense. Peyton has already shown humility in learning to abandon his offense for a run first offense. This give the donks Peyton in 2015 and Kubs/Elway get one year to determine whether they need to resign Brock or draft a QB in 2016.

This is bad news for Chiefs fans. I was hoping for a big broncos slump after Peyton left in 2016. But if Kubs can develop Brock into a good QB, we may have real problems with Denver for a long time. Elway is looking long term with this hire.

He traded for Matt Schaub... I don't understand why people think Elway's backup will pose a threat to us. I'm thrilled this was the hire, if it were Gase I would've been more afraid than fuggin Kubiak.

listopencil · 01-19-2015, 12:03 PM

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He traded for Matt Schaub... I don't understand why people think Elway's backup will pose a threat to us. I'm thrilled this was the hire, if it were Gase I would've been more afraid than fuggin Kubiak.

He is, at worst, a more aggressive version of John Fox that is better at calling plays.

listopencil · 01-19-2015, 12:07 PM

I am wondering if they brought in Vance Joseph to interview for HC as a pretense to really interview him for DC.

**RealSNR** · 01-19-2015, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

Peyton will learn Kubiaks zone offense. Peyton has already shown humility in learning to abandon his offense for a run first offense. This give the donks Peyton in 2015 and Kubs/Elway get one year to determine whether they need to resign Brock or draft a QB in 2016.

This is bad news for Chiefs fans. I was hoping for a big broncos slump after Peyton left in 2016. But if Kubs can develop Brock into a good QB, we may have real problems with Denver for a long time. Elway is looking long term with this hire.

Brock Osweiler is not a good QB.

He didn't know how to throw a ball in college.

Discuss Thrower · 01-19-2015, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Brock Osweiler is not a good QB.

He didn't know how to throw a ball in college.

But wasn't that Rivers' M.O. coming out of NC State..?

listopencil · 01-19-2015, 12:31 PM

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Brock Osweiler is not a good QB.

He didn't know how to throw a ball in college.

I haven't seen anything impressive from him, honestly. He's big, he's tough and he has decent arm strength. He just looks incredibly raw every time I see him do anything. College highlight videos, preseason with the Broncos, the very rare snaps he gets in mop up duty. The guy behind him, Dysert, has shown more flashes of competence. It was only in preseason but I saw him make all the throws, place the ball well, throw well on the run, move well in the pocket, read Defense a little bit. Unless Oz has stuff I don't see I think Dysert beats him out in a fair competition. I don't know though. Extremely small sample size.

**wazu** · 01-19-2015, 12:35 PM

Kubiak seems like a solid enough hire. For me the best news in all of this is that it appears that Elway is wanting to move on from Manning. If he thought Peyton could deliver the goods in 2015, no way would he blow up the whole coaching staff and bring in an offensive-minded HC with a new philosophy.

tooge · 01-19-2015, 01:02 PM

Of course Manning can "learn" Kubiaks zone scheme and qb movement offense. Problem is, he can't execute it. In order to use a zone scheme with lots of effective cut back lanes for the back, the qb MUST be able to be fairly mobile and able to at least sell the idea of a bootleg, or a strong flow to one side of the offense. Manning simply can't do that physically. Not to mention, guys running that sort of offense take lots of hits. For that reason, I just don't see Manning coming back. Kubiak isn't running the same offense that they had last season, with Manning being one year older, and one or two of their top four receivers leaving either.

I think the hire is so so. Osweiler isn't the type of guy that can run Kubiaks offense either I'm guessing, so look for either Manning to return at basically run the same short middle and screen stuff they ran this season, while they look for a new qb, or look for them to draft a guy or look for a free agent guy to run the new offense till they find the elway type they will be looking for.

As far as Kubiak, I never thought he was a particularly good coach. He had Schaub in his prime, with Andre Johnson, a solid running game, and a solid D, and he couldn't ever do shit. There is a BIG difference between X's and O's guys and real leaders of men. He's an X's and O's guy.

**Rausch** · 01-19-2015, 01:04 PM

You don't hire the "Kub" to run Manning's anything.

He's gone.

If anything a WCO would without a doubt benefit 5-head but I see no way he just signs on.

Elway is FORCING THIS...

tooge · 01-19-2015, 01:06 PM

Also, you have to look at history with this sort of thing. Take for example Rat Shannahan. Check out his record with a first ballot Hall of Fame qb in Elway, vs his record without him. Same for Kubiac. Any numbnuts can win with Elway, Manning, Brady in their prime. Denver doesn't have that anymore. This smells like a fail for Kubiak to me.

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01-19-2015, 11:19 AM	#109
kcbubb Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $4966719	Kubs was hired for 2016 QB choice Peyton will learn Kubiaks zone offense. Peyton has already shown humility in learning to abandon his offense for a run first offense. This give the donks Peyton in 2015 and Kubs/Elway get one year to determine whether they need to resign Brock or draft a QB in 2016. This is bad news for Chiefs fans. I was hoping for a big broncos slump after Peyton left in 2016. But if Kubs can develop Brock into a good QB, we may have real problems with Denver for a long time. Elway is looking long term with this hire.
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01-19-2015, 12:35 PM	#117
wazu ... Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $-1737705 VARSITY	Kubiak seems like a solid enough hire. For me the best news in all of this is that it appears that Elway is wanting to move on from Manning. If he thought Peyton could deliver the goods in 2015, no way would he blow up the whole coaching staff and bring in an offensive-minded HC with a new philosophy.
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01-19-2015, 01:02 PM	#118
tooge MVP Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Liberty, MO Casino cash: $584112	Of course Manning can "learn" Kubiaks zone scheme and qb movement offense. Problem is, he can't execute it. In order to use a zone scheme with lots of effective cut back lanes for the back, the qb MUST be able to be fairly mobile and able to at least sell the idea of a bootleg, or a strong flow to one side of the offense. Manning simply can't do that physically. Not to mention, guys running that sort of offense take lots of hits. For that reason, I just don't see Manning coming back. Kubiak isn't running the same offense that they had last season, with Manning being one year older, and one or two of their top four receivers leaving either. I think the hire is so so. Osweiler isn't the type of guy that can run Kubiaks offense either I'm guessing, so look for either Manning to return at basically run the same short middle and screen stuff they ran this season, while they look for a new qb, or look for them to draft a guy or look for a free agent guy to run the new offense till they find the elway type they will be looking for. As far as Kubiak, I never thought he was a particularly good coach. He had Schaub in his prime, with Andre Johnson, a solid running game, and a solid D, and he couldn't ever do shit. There is a BIG difference between X's and O's guys and real leaders of men. He's an X's and O's guy.
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01-19-2015, 01:06 PM	#120
tooge MVP Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Liberty, MO Casino cash: $584112	Also, you have to look at history with this sort of thing. Take for example Rat Shannahan. Check out his record with a first ballot Hall of Fame qb in Elway, vs his record without him. Same for Kubiac. Any numbnuts can win with Elway, Manning, Brady in their prime. Denver doesn't have that anymore. This smells like a fail for Kubiak to me.
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