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Old 02-06-2020, 09:45 PM  
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How to play this off-season with free agency?

I don't know the cap space that well so people smarter will have to tell me what we can do. I'm just excited to see how good this team can get. All the building blocks are in place. It's a matter of how we can supplement the pieces. And I know retain the big pieces is most important.

So assuming we can keep Chris Jones and give Pat an extension, will we have any room at all in the cap to make impact additions? Keeping Sammy looks unlikely. Not sure how many of our corners we can keep?

Even if we play it perfect, will there be any cap left to add some vet free agents? It seems like a pretty strong offensive line class in free agency if we could add one or two. Or if we could add an LB (although Hitchens make a lot). Or a vet corner? Trade possibilities?

I'm just trying to get a realistic grid of what potential moves we can make. I know hitting on picks in the draft will be the biggest way to improve. But if we can get some discounted vets or something, that could go a long way into having freedom in drafting more luxury picks.
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Old 02-07-2020, 12:07 PM   #106
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Jones is tagged then traded to the Seahawks for their 2020 first round pick (27) and their 2021 fourth rounder. Now with two first round picks, KC moves back by trading their own first round pick (32) to Atlanta in exchange for their 2020 second round pick (55), third round pick (78), and a future fourth rounder. That gives the Chiefs:

1st: 27
2nd: 55, 63
3rd: 78, 96
4th: 135
Plus Atlanta's and Seattle's 2021 fourth rounders.

Mahomes will be the highest paid player in the league, which is going to force the Chiefs to acquire more talent through the draft and less through free agency. I think Jones is gone unfortunately.
I used this trade value chart to try and stay realistic:

DRAFTEK

I doubt Jones is going to command more draft capital than Clark given the positions they play. We gave up pick 30 and a future second rounder for Clark.
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Old 02-07-2020, 12:07 PM   #107
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My lifestyle wouldn't change that much if I were a millionaire. But I understand that our culture promotes greed.

Money is God. And tens of millions just ain't enough.
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Old 02-07-2020, 12:08 PM   #108
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This is 100% correct. A little too costly for what he actually is.
Sorenson isn't awful or anything but when we are going to have the highest paid QB in the league, that is a luxury we don't have anymore.

Guys like Sorenson have to be replaced by late draft picks/UDFAs that guy do the job or vets that will take cheap deals to win. That is the reality of the situation.
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Old 02-07-2020, 12:08 PM   #109
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He is almost a 6 million dollar cap hit, can you justify that for a 3rd safety?
His cap hit for next year is 4.75 mil

We would only save 3.75 mil by cutting him
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Old 02-07-2020, 12:08 PM   #110
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Eric Berry & Anthony Hitchens are taking up about $21M of cap space for 2020 season. That’s brutal.
We sucked pretty bad when Hitchens was out. I think he's one of those guys like Fisher that isn't spectacular but the alternative is much much worse.

He's not worth $15M but he's probably worth $10M.

At least we're done done with Berry after this.

Also anyone who thinks we can get much in trade for one year of Watkins at $21M is crazy.

Jones tag and trade seems very live.
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Old 02-07-2020, 12:09 PM   #111
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Here’s my personal position order of importance for this offseason:

1. Secondary (I’m not saying “corner”, because we target hybrid players in our defense)
2. Interior OL (I like Wis and Rankin at G, but we need to upgrade C; any threat of a run game will tremendously help protect Mahomes)
3. LB (this would be higher, but we did just win the Super Bowl with below average talent here)
4. DL (just the guys coming back gives us an above average line, and that assumes no one takes a big step forward)
5. WR (I think we already have 2 very good-great WRs; Pringle can be a solid 4th; Kemp can be a good 5th)
6. RB (I like Thompson and Williams, but we need 1 more; helping the interior OL will make a big impact here)
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Old 02-07-2020, 12:09 PM   #112
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Brady was given a record-breaking contract after his rookie deal. At the time, he was still a game manager. He started doing the discounts later in his career when he developed into an elite QB.
Brady's 2nd contract was Deal: 5 years, $30.52M Signing Bonus: $10M
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Old 02-07-2020, 12:10 PM   #113
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He was also a 6th round pick who hadn’t made shit up until that point in his career.
Exactly. Got paid top dollar for being a game manager on a great team with incredible defense. Guessing Belichick hated that contract at the time.

Mahomes was paid as a top 10 pick, but that is chump change when you realize bums like Trubisky, Solomon Thomas, Mayfield and others have been paid about double Mahomes. Hard to blame his agent if they demand top dollar. But the only way to get a dynasty is if he gives a serious discount.
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We sucked pretty bad when Hitchens was out. I think he's one of those guys like Fisher that isn't spectacular but the alternative is much much worse.

He's not worth $15M but he's probably worth $10M.

At least we're done done with Berry after this.

Also anyone who thinks we can get much in trade for one year of Watkins at $21M is crazy.

Jones tag and trade seems very live.
The idea behind trading Watkins is that the team who trades for him would have a new deal done at the time the trade is completed. Basically, the trade allows the other team the exclusive right to re-negotiate the deal.

Otherwise, Watkins will be outright released.
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Jones is tagged then traded to the Seahawks for their 2020 first round pick (27) and their 2021 fourth rounder. Now with two first round picks, KC moves back by trading their own first round pick (32) to Atlanta in exchange for their 2020 second round pick (55), third round pick (78), and a future fourth rounder. That gives the Chiefs:

1st: 27
2nd: 55, 63
3rd: 78, 96
4th: 135
Plus Atlanta's and Seattle's 2021 fourth rounders.

Mahomes will be the highest paid player in the league, which is going to force the Chiefs to acquire more talent through the draft and less through free agency. I think Jones is gone unfortunately.
Jones is worth more than that for compensation.
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Here’s my personal position order of importance for this offseason:

1. Secondary (I’m not saying “corner”, because we target hybrid players in our defense)
2. Interior OL (I like Wis and Rankin at G, but we need to upgrade C; any threat of a run game will tremendously help protect Mahomes)
3. LB (this would be higher, but we did just win the Super Bowl with below average talent here)
4. DL (just the guys coming back gives us an above average line, and that assumes no one takes a big step forward)
5. WR (I think we already have 2 very good-great WRs; Pringle can be a solid 4th; Kemp can be a good 5th)
6. RB (I like Thompson and Williams, but we need 1 more; helping the interior OL will make a big impact here)
Reiter was actually the best OL besides Schwartz against the 49ers. He doesn’t suck. LDT got manhandled. We need to replace him
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The idea behind trading Watkins is that the team who trades for him would have a new deal done at the time the trade is completed. Basically, the trade allows the other team the exclusive right to re-negotiate the deal.

Otherwise, Watkins will be outright released.
Lose our 2nd best receiver who just balled out in the playoffs, And take a Huge cap hit?
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Reiter was actually the best OL besides Schwartz against the 49ers. He doesn’t suck. LDT got manhandled. We need to replace him
I think we already have his replacement in Rankin. He looked great until his injury. Sign Wis to a one year deal to start at the other guard. Reiter becomes the weak link then.
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