Would you give Jones 3/100m or trade him?

[BossChief]

We might as well start the conversation.

Aaron Donald got a 3 year extension worth 95m and Jones won’t/shouldn’t accept a penny less.

We can probably get the equivalent of 2 firsts if we trade him.

Poll will be up in a minute…

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

I think the situation is slightly different compared to Tyreek last year.

First off, as Tyreek has proven with all the talking hes been doing this year, he's a diva who wants all the attention to himself and wanted more touches. That's the sort of shit you just don't want on your team for an extended amount of time, especially when you're paying him top WR money.

Secondly, money. The WR market is just absolutely absurd now, and there's no way you can pay Mahomes and Tyreek top dollar without crippling the rest of your team, and Tyreek wanted the bag. He didn't care about how we were building our team and how we needed players to take home town friendly contracts to make it work.

CJ talks a lot of shit, but hes not a diva, he doesn't talk bad about his teammates or coaches, he doesn't have an Uzi in the back of his car or beating up vacuum cleaners. And I think he's smart and realizes what we're trying to do in KC and wants to win rings.

Now if he asks for max money, then yeah there's nothing you can do, you probably trade him. But I think paying him a good contract even as he gets older is a good idea.

[notorious]

As long as he doesn't play basketball in the locker room.

[Skyy God]

If Cullen is coaching up the DL, you trade him.

[Chiefspants]

I think the thing to remember is that by all accounts, the Chiefs worked their asses off to retain Tyreek. It was only when he demanded to get 30m a year that they ended up deciding to change course.

I wonder if they have a similar "max number" for Jones, and then a contingency plan if he demands/earns more from another team.

All I'll add is that Mahomes made losing Tyreek feel manageable (to most). What do we have on defense that can make losing Jones feel manageable?

[mkp785]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Let's be brutally clear here-

We have 33 players under contract, including no LT, no RT, and MVS as your returning #1 WR. We'll have around $50m in cap room.

There is no bolstering the d-line around him with top FA's. Not possible. Stud rookies? Well, we'll be picking around #30 again.

These are the facts.

I'm not advocating for anything other than it's a really tough decision. I'm not saying we have to go one way or the other, just saying that if we're going to discuss the situation, we should do so in full light of the factual situation.

For someone not wanting to trade Jones every single post you've made in this thread seems to be supporting just that. For me it's simple, if there's a choice between Jones and OBJ you take CJ all day and trade OBJ.

Jones is possibly the best DT in the league and should be at worst runner up to DPOTY. He's also a leader.

Keep him, move OBJ. Done and done.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

I think the thing to remember is that by all accounts, the Chiefs worked their ass off to retain Tyreek. It was only when he demanded to get 30m a year that they ended up deciding to change course.

I wonder if they have a similar "max number" for Jones, and then a contingency plan if he demands/earns more from another team.

All I'll add is that Mahomes made losing Tyreek feel manageable (to most). What do we have on defense that can make losing Jones feel manageable?

That’s why I think we will trade him this offseason.

I can see Veach wanting to bend over backwards to sign CJ95, but I think we can likely equate “Davante Adams money” with “Aaron Donald money” as his possible cut off point.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by mkp785

For someone not wanting to trade Jones every single post you've made in this thread seems to be supporting just that. For me it's simple, if there's a choice between Jones and OBJ you take CJ all day and trade OBJ.

Jones is possibly the best DT in the league and should be at worst runner up to DPOTY. He's also a leader.

Keep him, move OBJ. Done and done.

No, you're latching onto Jones vs. OBJ, and it's much, much more complicated than that.

[mkp785]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

No, you're latching onto Jones vs. OBJ, and it's much, much more complicated than that.

I don't think it is. We have room to pay 1 of them now (I think we CAN do both if need be but that'd be tough) so the question is really who? That goes back to my previous post.

I'll add that the draft is deep at LT it seems and some of them probably will pass protect better than OBJ does walking in the door. Defensive tackles that can pass rush are hard to find. Case in point the Jags just drafted one #1 overall last year and another Carter from UGA is likely going in the top 5 this year.

We have possibly the best DT in the league. If McVay retires, I imagine Donald will too, and then we will have the best DT in the league. Who wants to be here. Who, unlike OBJ isn't demanding top money for mid level play.

This choice is easy. Made easier by the fact that a team like the Steelers who run a lot and have a ton of cap space will probably be fine moving their 2nd for OBJ.

I know you wanna use the Reek example of quantity of over quality for Jones but that dog won't hunt. WRs are way easier to find than DTs like Chris Jones.

Pay the man and move on.

[RunKC]

If you trade Chris then who are you replacing him with? The FA isn’t very good and relying on rookies is uh, not good.

Trading him for anything less than a top 12 pick is a complete non-starter for me too.

I’d rather just have money be tight, keep outr guys and rely on small FA’s (McKinnon), trades (Ward) and the draft.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by mkp785

I don't think it is. We have room to pay 1 of them now (I think we CAN do both if need be but that'd be tough) so the question is really who? That goes back to my previous post.

I'll add that the draft is deep at LT it seems and some of them probably will pass protect better than OBJ does walking in the door. Defensive tackles that can pass rush are hard to find. Case in point the Jags just drafted one #1 overall last year and another Carter from UGA is likely going in the top 5 this year.

We have possibly the best DT in the league. If McVay retires, I imagine Donald will too, and then we will have the best DT in the league. Who wants to be here. Who, unlike OBJ isn't demanding top money for mid level play.

This choice is easy. Made easier by the fact that a team like the Steelers who run a lot and have a ton of cap space will probably be fine moving their 2nd for OBJ.

I know you wanna use the Reek example of quantity of over quality for Jones but that dog won't hunt. WRs are way easier to find than DTs like Chris Jones.

Pay the man and move on.

Ok, so we will have $50m in cap space, roughly. We have 33 players under contract, or 20 spots we need to fill.

We have no LT. No RT. Our top returning WR is MVS, to go with Toney and Moore. Our DE room is: Karlaftis, Danna, Herring, and Kaindoh. Our OT's are Niang, Wanegho, and Kinnard.

This is not a highly regarded LT class in terms of NFL ready, day one starters. AT ALL. Not by anyone's standards. There's some guys with potential. You really want to risk Mahomes' health with that?

And for the record, this is the plan I lean towards:
Extend Jones, reducing the '23 cap hit (although it will balloon in later years), let Brown walk (or ideally tag and trade), sign Ngakoue to fill RDE pass rusher spot, and bring in Clelin Ferrell on a minimum deal to try as a reclamation project. I let Juju and Hardman go, maybe bring back Watson on a minimal deal.
I send a #2 to GB for Yosh Nijman, who is a RFA and GB probably can't match a middle LT contract. Maybe we're lucky and get a #2 or #3 in a tag and trade for Brown.

Then I'm drafting the best OT on the board in the first and crossing my fingers that they can be better than Wylie day one or that Niang is not a pipedream, and that Toney, Moore, MVS, and Watson are good enough and available enough to get it done.

I do this knowing it means that we won't be giving a second contract to Sneed or Gay.

And I do this knowing that we will once again have 8 or 9 draft picks playing a ton of snaps in year one. Better hope we have another great draft.

[Chris Meck]

I'll add this, and then probably bow out of this thread, although there is a Jones trade scenario thread over in the draft forum, where it's probably more appropriate.

While the Bills and Bengals have yet to have to pay their elite QB's and so still have an institutional advantage in that way for another season (or two for Cinci)-

We DO have the advantage of having an entrenched front office, scouting department, and coaching staff. All are completely in tune with each other. That's how they're able to hit on MOST of their picks at this point in time. That's a real advantage over the teams that fire their coaches and/or GM's all of the time. They're starting from scratch all of the time. So we should be able to find diamonds in the rough that just fit schematically better. I think we're seeing that from these last two drafts.

[mkp785]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Ok, so we will have $50m in cap space, roughly. We have 33 players under contract, or 20 spots we need to fill.

We have no LT. No RT. Our top returning WR is MVS, to go with Toney and Moore. Our DE room is: Karlaftis, Danna, Herring, and Kaindoh. Our OT's are Niang, Wanegho, and Kinnard.

This is not a highly regarded LT class in terms of NFL ready, day one starters. AT ALL. Not by anyone's standards. There's some guys with potential. You really want to risk Mahomes' health with that?

And for the record, this is the plan I lean towards:
Extend Jones, reducing the '23 cap hit (although it will balloon in later years), let Brown walk (or ideally tag and trade), sign Ngakoue to fill RDE pass rusher spot, and bring in Clelin Ferrell on a minimum deal to try as a reclamation project. I let Juju and Hardman go, maybe bring back Watson on a minimal deal.
I send a #2 to GB for Yosh Nijman, who is a RFA and GB probably can't match a middle LT contract. Maybe we're lucky and get a #2 or #3 in a tag and trade for Brown.

Then I'm drafting the best OT on the board in the first and crossing my fingers that they can be better than Wylie day one or that Niang is not a pipedream, and that Toney, Moore, MVS, and Watson are good enough and available enough to get it done.

I do this knowing it means that we won't be giving a second contract to Sneed or Gay.

And I do this knowing that we will once again have 8 or 9 draft picks playing a ton of snaps in year one. Better hope we have another great draft.

Chris Jones already counts for 27M of that so all you really need to do is add a few million onto that. Re-sign juju for 18 or so. As to the draft some of the experts here can fill in on this but there's alot of depth available. We don't need Trent Williams or Willie Roaf. We need a dude who can handle himself while not asking to be paid 30M or whatever OBJ wants.

Thuney is a great guard and our inside blocking in general is well above average. A rookie who's had experience with DEs who can rush well works. I'd look at Steen or Johnson personally. Both dudes should be available around 16 or so.

We use our OBJ haul to move up along with another 2nd and/or 3rd. Grab 1 of them and keep drafting. Still should leave us another 10M or so to add a few more guys to fill in holes

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by mkp785

Chris Jones already counts for 27M of that so all you really need to do is add a few million onto that. Re-sign juju for 18 or so. As to the draft some of the experts here can fill in on this but there's alot of depth available. We don't need Trent Williams or Willie Roaf. We need a dude who can handle himself while not asking to be paid 30M or whatever OBJ wants.

Thuney is a great guard and our inside blocking in general is well above average. A rookie who's had experience with DEs who can rush well works. I'd look at Steen or Johnson personally. Both dudes should be available around 16 or so.

We use our OBJ haul to move up along with another 2nd and/or 3rd. Grab 1 of them and keep drafting. Still should leave us another 10M or so to add a few more guys to fill in holes

that's reliant on being able to tag and trade, and relies on a rookie protecting Mahomes' blind side.

I'm not saying absolutely not, but I'm saying it's a pretty huge risk.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

I just saw in the OP you think we get 2 firsts if we trade him? What????

You think a DT approaching 30 has meaningfully more value than Tyreek Hill?

I’d trade him for that without blinking. I think a mid first and a mid second would
be an amazing return and I’m desperate to keep him.

I'm the same, would really want to keep him but even I can see a point you've gotta take the trade. Mid first and second would qualify as you could also use the cash to bring in someone like Hargrave as well. Don't think we'd get that though so I'm guessing I'd ultimately keep him.

[kcbubb]

Is Jones the kind of player that turns it off after a big contract? I don’t know but that’s a risk. We can’t assume he will have the same production after a big contract. I’d let him play next year and then tag and trade.