AFC Stock Up / Stock Down, Post-Free Agency

[staylor26]

The problem is Mahomes playing like he's Alex Smith, not Andy/Nagy calling plays like he is. This is the same shit we saw with Alex, guys running wide open down the field. Some people blamed the offense too ten, and they were proven wrong when we got a young gunslinger.

[wazu]

Meanwhile in Pittsburgh...

"NFL Network’s Tom Pelissero reports the Steelers are comfortable starting QB Mason Rudolph in 2025."

Fans on the other hand... pic.twitter.com/Keys2UglSi

— Andy Holloway (@andyholloway) March 19, 2025

[St. Patty's Fire]

Originally Posted by wazu

Meanwhile in Pittsburgh...

"NFL Network’s Tom Pelissero reports the Steelers are comfortable starting QB Mason Rudolph in 2025."

Fans on the other hand... pic.twitter.com/Keys2UglSi

— Andy Holloway (@andyholloway) March 19, 2025

im guessing this is some sort of leverage play in the rodgers negotiations

[Woogieman]

The audacious throws have disappeared in the past two years. I want them back. WHat can CP do to make this happen?

[comochiefsfan]

This is probably going to get some push back and that's fine.

But I really think in hindsight, letting OBJr walk was the biggest mistake Veach has made up to this point.

No he wasn't an elite LT, but he was serviceable and the most important thing is that Patrick trusted him and was mentally able to play freely with him protecting his blindside.

I think we all thought that because he wasn't elite he was easily replaceable. This has not only proven to not be true, but the damage done to Mahomes psyche behind two years of subpar LT play has been by far the biggest consequence of this and is going to have to be undone, which may or may not be easy.

We should have overpaid for him and just called it good. And to be clear, I'm not slamming Veach for this. It seemed like a shrewd move at the time and hindsight makes it look worse.

But the moral of the story is you just don't mess around at LT. If Patrick trusts a guy, that's your guy and you should stick with him.

Really hoping Moore can provide that same level of comfort that Brown gave Patrick and we might be back on schedule.

[GordonGekko]

Originally Posted by comochiefsfan

This is probably going to get some push back and that's fine.

But I really think in hindsight, letting OBJr walk was the biggest mistake Veach has made up to this point.

No he wasn't an elite LT, but he was serviceable and the most important thing is that Patrick trusted him and was mentally able to play freely with him protecting his blindside.

I think we all thought that because he wasn't elite he was easily replaceable. This has not only proven to not be true, but the damage done to Mahomes psyche behind two years of subpar LT play has been by far the biggest consequence of this and is going to have to be undone, which may or may not be easy.

We should have overpaid for him and just called it good. And to be clear, I'm not slamming Veach for this. It seemed like a shrewd move at the time and hindsight makes it look worse.

But the moral of the story is you just don't mess around at LT. If Patrick trusts a guy, that's your guy and you should stick with him.

Really hoping Moore can provide that same level of comfort that Brown gave Patrick and we might be back on schedule.

100% agree, letting OBJr get away was a big BIG mistake and then seeing what he took $$ to play with the Bengals? I think in the first Superbowl w/ the Eagles the Chiefs OLine didn't give up a sack and Brown even called it before the game and said to, "print it on a t-shirt." Pretty balls. Veach will, hopefully, learn from all of this, he is absolutely killing it at almost every other position through his acquisitions, and is an absolute master at picking secondary players, but OLine analysis is like his one blind spot.

[staylor26]

JFC the amount of time things have to be explained over and over to you ****ing whiny ****s is unbelievable.

For the millionth time, OBJ is the reason he didn't get an extension, one that would've paid him even more than what he got from Cincy. Not the Chiefs, or Veach. OBJ.

No amount of revisionist history changes actual history, sorry.

[htismaqe]

They didn't let OBJ get away. He was insulted by their offer and refused to sign. He ended up signing an inferior deal after it all.

[MahomesMagic]

I still don’t get the cliche who thinks Patrick Mahomes forgot how to play QB and that Matt Nagy is a sharp play caller.


If we aren’t in the top ten for offense for the 3rd year in a row there people will just say it’s Mahomes.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I still don’t get the cliche who thinks Patrick Mahomes forgot how to play QB and that Matt Nagy is a sharp play caller.


If we aren’t in the top ten for offense for the 3rd year in a row there people will just say it’s Mahomes.

Matt Nagy doesn't run the offense, Andy does.

And the evidence against Pat is voluminous and obvious. He HAS to play better or nothing will change.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Matt Nagy doesn't run the offense, Andy does.

And the evidence against Pat is voluminous and obvious. He HAS to play better or nothing will change.

Yeah heard the same bullshit when they tried to make Skyy Moore or Toney a number 1 WR and Mahomes still led a terrible wr room to a SB win.

The same Mahomes is not good crew claimed the weapons were acceptable.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Yeah heard the same bullshit when they tried to make Skyy Moore or Toney a number 1 WR and Mahomes still led a terrible wr room to a SB win.

And yet he's been significantly worse since with better WRs than both of those guys. But that's because of playcalling!

You're almost there.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by staylor26

And yet he's been significantly worse since with better WRs than both of those guys. But that's because of playcalling!

You're almost there.

You’re a very good Kool Aid sipper.

[Gary Cooper]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I still don’t get the cliche who thinks Patrick Mahomes forgot how to play QB and that Matt Nagy is a sharp play caller.


If we aren’t in the top ten for offense for the 3rd year in a row there people will just say it’s Mahomes.

Defenses have improved since 2018 and 2019. It's not just Mahomes playing worse. You have teams playing more of the two deep safety look. Also, teams used to take a naive approach against Mahomes before they learned of his tendencies and strengths.

The current version of Mahomes would play better if transported via time machine to 2018/2019. Meanwhile, the Mahomes from 2018/2019 wouldn't immediately dominate if transported to 2025. He'd have some learning to do first.

That said, yes he needs to play better. Your best player makes everyone else look better. That's what happened in 2022.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper

Defenses have improved since 2018 and 2019. It's not just Mahomes playing worse. You have teams playing more of the two deep safety look. Also, teams used to take a naive approach against Mahomes before they learned of his tendencies and strengths.

The current version of Mahomes would play better if transported via time machine to 2018/2019. Meanwhile, the Mahomes from 2018/2019 wouldn't immediately dominate if transported to 2025. He'd have some learning to do first.

You think our offensive play calling has been good the last two years?!

Just watch other NFL games like Coen last year with Tampa and Baker. Baker is a good QB but he ain’t Mahomes. Just easy wins over and over.

Our offense hasn’t done this since Nagy arrived.

The SB everyone including Mahomes sucked.

But the play calling wasn’t good. Philly knew our plays better than we did.


We need a reboot.