Do we want DeHop?

[ROYC75]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...9536dcd3&ei=21


Story by Andrew Gould




The Kansas City Chiefs won the Super Bowl without a star wide receiver, but they could reportedly make an elite offense even scarier by acquiring DeAndre Hopkins.

NFL insider Benjamin Albright told PHNX Cardinals that Kansas City is the "primary suitor" for Hopkins. He doesn't know the draft compensation the Cardinals would receive, but he said it's more likely they get a second-round pick than a first.

After the 2022 season, theScore's Jordan Schultz reported that the Cardinals plan to trade Hopkins this offseason.

Arizona hired a new general manager and head coach after a disappointing four-win season, and Hopkins is set to make $19.45 million (with a $30.75 million cap hit) in 2023. The Cardinals could seek a clean slate by moving the three-time All-Pro wideout, who turns 31 in June.

Hopkins began his Cardinals career by tallying 1,407 yards and six touchdowns in 2020. However, multiple lower body injuries limited him to 10 games in 2021, and he served a six-game suspension to start the 2022 season for violating the NFL's PED policy.

Yet he remains an impact player when on the field. Hopkins totaled 474 receiving yards in six full games with quarterback Kyler Murray last season.

Now imagine what he can accomplish when catching passes from Patrick Mahomes.

The Chiefs flourished without a star replacement for Tyreek Hill, but they could still benefit by solidifying the position this offseason. JuJu Smith-Schuster is a free agent after garnering 78 catches for 933 yards on a one-year deal. The depth chart features several talented question marks in Mecole Hardman, Kadarius Toney, and Marquez Valdes-Scantling.

Adding Hopkins could be great news for Kansas City, but terrible for all opposing defenses.
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Do we want a high priced prima donna?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by -King-

It doesn't get much cuter than fades which are incomplete the vast majority of the time. Unless you have prime Calvin Johnson, fades are a waste of a down.

Part of the reason lies in the remarkable inefficiency of the play. Just 13.5% of those 37 fades were caught for touchdowns in 2019, compared with 57% of flat routes, 42% of slants and 42.5% of out routes. Although last season was historically awful, the play has always been a dubious option. Over the previous two seasons, quarterbacks connected on 30% of fades thrown close to the goal line compared with 48% of all other routes.

Eh, I think that’s skewed a bit because it doesn’t work if you telegraph it, force it or use it as a crutch. I also think of it interchangeably with back shoulder throws or jump balls. Plenty of WRs and QBs who can turn this into a higher % play than 30%. It’s also pretty safe because you can easily throw it away so it’s not the worst goal line option where you’re trying to mix in a pass play

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by -King-

Fades are the worst plays in football.

no shit. Might as well just take a knee if you want to waste a play

[Gary Cooper]

Originally Posted by -King-

It doesn't get much cuter than fades which are incomplete the vast majority of the time. Unless you have prime Calvin Johnson, fades are a waste of a down.

Part of the reason lies in the remarkable inefficiency of the play. Just 13.5% of those 37 fades were caught for touchdowns in 2019, compared with 57% of flat routes, 42% of slants and 42.5% of out routes. Although last season was historically awful, the play has always been a dubious option. Over the previous two seasons, quarterbacks connected on 30% of fades thrown close to the goal line compared with 48% of all other routes.

They work pretty well against our DBs. Also, fades increase the likelihood of PI. One of the reasons our receivers don't draw enough penalties over the years.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Eh, I think that’s skewed a bit because it doesn’t work if you telegraph it, force it or use it as a crutch. I also think of it interchangeably with back shoulder throws or jump balls. Plenty of WRs and QBs who can turn this into a higher % play than 30%. It’s also pretty safe because you can easily throw it away so it’s not the worst goal line option where you’re trying to mix in a pass play

It's a waste of a play efficiency wise. Doesn't matter how you wanna spin it, just don't do them.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by O.city

It's a waste of a play efficiency wise. Doesn't matter how you wanna spin it, just don't do them.

Don't do them if you don't have a WR great at them you mean......

Again,

If you have a WR that is great at them its a very good play.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Don't do them if you don't have a WR great at them you mean......

Again,

If you have a WR that is great at them its a very good play.

No, I mean don't do them at all.

You dont' think Travis Kelce would be considered someone great at them, yet we don't do it.

It's a waste.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by O.city

No, I mean don't do them at all.

You dont' think Travis Kelce would be considered someone great at them, yet we don't do it.

It's a waste.

Yeah you are right, its just a route in most coaches playbook because they are just so stupid.

[ToxSocks]

The Chiefs certainly throw them.

Freakin' Toney caught one on that catch where he adjusted his glove first. JuJu got some.

It's a matter of whether Mahomes feels comfortable throwing it.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

The Chiefs certainly throw them.

Freakin' Toney caught one on that catch where he adjusted his glove first. JuJu got some.

It's a matter of whether Mahomes feels comfortable throwing it.

Comfort goes up with confidence in the WR

[dlphg9]

Holy shit, you ****ing idiots are talking about wanting more fade routes? It's the worst pass in the game you dumb shits. It's really hard to argue ****tards that have no clue what they are talking about.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Yeah you are right, its just a route in most coaches playbook because they are just so stupid.

It's actually not in a lot of coaches playbook. It's declined in usage a lot in the past decade. Just look at that stat I posted. QBs ran a goal line fade only 37 times that season. Out of 256 games. That's 1 fade every 7 games.

I don't know why people think teams run it a lot or that it's successful to any meaningful degree.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

On his worst day, DHop is better than JuJu on his best day. How is this even a question? JFC.

On his worst day DHop isn't even playing because his knee gave out or he ran out of PEDs and they kept him just healthy enough to play.

[ToxSocks]

Oh shit, ya'll talking about fades.

I thought you were discussing back shoulder throws. Yeah, im not a fan of fades.

Chiefs still throw those too though. /shrug

[Reerun_KC]

CP went full Reerun. JFC this fanbase is ****ing stupid.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper

I want DeHop just for fade routes in the red zone. We NEVER do that well. It kills me when other teams do that in the red zone at will.

Wow. Just………. Wow.