****OFFICIAL Royals at Blue Jays GDT 08/02****

[RealSNR]

Time to take a catheter and shove it up their Dickey!

Game start: 12:07 central

KC: Volquez (10-5, 3.21)
TOR: Dickey (5-10, 4.27)

Go Royals!


Royals
Escobar
Zobrist
Cain
Hosmer
Morales
Perez
Rios
Cuthbert
Infante

Blue Jays
Tulowitzki
Donaldson
Bautista
Encarnacion
Colabello
Martin
Pillar
Goins
Revere

[ChiTown]

Thank God the Cardinals fans are here to straighten all this shit out. Such a blessing......

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by tk13

There's nothing myopic about it. I get why he was upset. That doesn't mean he was right. Or that he wasn't trying to make a scene to try and get our pitcher thrown out of the game. Admittedly I try not to fly off the handle every time I feel slighted. People think I do that just to irritate people, but I just don't think it's worth the energy.

I'm assuming Donaldson would understand that no one would hit him with a change up, yes. I do think his 7th inning outburst was trying to get the pitcher tossed. Plenty of guys bark at the umps. He threw a hissy fit and marched out of the box and stopped the game. It's like rewarding a petulant child. There's a difference between being upset and trying to create a scene. He knew what he was doing.

At least we've now admitted that Madson wasn't throwing at him on purpose.

Nobody has ever once said Madson was throwing at him on purpose. Never a single time. Jays included. You've been arguing with ghosts there.

Now please please please explain to me how Donaldson would have had any idea that the pitch from Volquez up and in was a changeup at the moment the incident occured - a pitch that by its very nature is designed to look like a fastball right up to the moment it reaches the plate. If that pitch is coming at your face and you'd just been hit in your last at bat, you're absolutely going to be convinced it's a fastball. The fact that he spun out of the box and didn't escalate things beyond that actually demonstrated a fair amount of self control. And by the end of the AB when he flipped the bat, of course he's still pissed because he still things Volquez threw a fastball at his chin. Every player in professional baseball would still be pissed there.

A changeup isn't like a slider; there's not that tell-tale dot that can give it away. Everything on that pitch apart from what it does in the last 10 feet is going to look exactly like a fastball and by the time the pitch was 10 feet away, Donaldson had already spun out of there because it looked like heat to him. Yes, you're being myopic if you think Donaldson instigated that or that he didn't have cause for his irritation.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by ChiTown

Thank God the Cardinals fans are here to straighten all this shit out. Such a blessing......

Thank God Royals fans don't have a substantive rebuttal and instead just want to talk shit. Please, continue with the screen name smack talk and 'derp' comments; most of you fellas have been fountains of reasonable discourse and have just COVERED Royals fans in glory in this thread.

Nice work, all. You've sure shown us stupid Cardinals fans that you can rationally discuss baseball.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Here we are on 08/06 listening to the Pope Cards fans pontificating about an AL game (beer league!!!!) from 08/02.

I know I'm the better for it. and my baseball sins will be washed away.

Godammit 08/05!!!

Forgive me again....

[tk13]

I hope to one day be able to see the world from the high horse some of you live on. That's pretty much all I have to say at this point.

I don't think the Royals are a bunch of innocent choir boys. I've been openly critical of Yordano all season. Probably been one of his biggest critics.

I also don't think the Royals have to apologize for standing up for themselves. Every baseball team does it. The Cardinals do it frequently. And if they felt someone was stealing their signs, or if one of their players is HBP and knocked out of a game, they will do something about it. That is the heart of this issue. You can all write 10000 word diatribes if you want. The Blue Jays have been in their fair share of scrums the last two years too. You know why? Because everyone does it.

And now we have to sit and be lectured on the rules of baseball. As if every team doesn't stand up for themselves. Heck most of you are Cards fans. You're the same fanbase that will give a 5 minute standing O every time they roll Bob Gibson out there, and he was one of the most feared pitchers ever. Point being that most every good team stands up for themselves. That's not immaturity. You can certainly argue that's not how the game should be played. But it is. By everyone.

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Thank God Royals fans don't have a substantive rebuttal and instead just want to talk shit. Please, continue with the screen name smack talk and 'derp' comments; most of you fellas have been fountains of reasonable discourse and have just COVERED Royals fans in glory in this thread.

Nice work, all. You've sure shown us stupid Cardinals fans that you can rationally discuss baseball.

You guys are just the gift that keeps giving. Again, thanks

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by tk13

I hope to one day be able to see the world from the high horse some of you live on. That's pretty much all I have to say at this point.

I don't think the Royals are a bunch of innocent choir boys. I've been openly critical of Yordano all season. Probably been one of his biggest critics.

I also don't think the Royals have to apologize for standing up for themselves. Every baseball team does it. The Cardinals do it frequently. And if they felt someone was stealing their signs, or if one of their players is HBP and knocked out of a game, most teams will do something about it. That is the heart of this issue. You can all write 10000 word diatribes if you want. The Blue Jays have been in their fair share of scrums the last two years too. You know why? Because everyone does it.

And now we have to sit and be lectured on the rules of baseball. As if every team doesn't stand up for themselves. Heck most of you are Cards fans. You're the same fanbase that will give a 5 minute standing O every time they roll Bob Gibson out there, and he was one of the most feared pitchers ever. Point being that most every good team stands up for themselves. That's not immaturity. You can certainly argue that's not how the game should be played. But it is. By everyone.
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Of ****ing stow it.

High horse my ass, you people just don't feel like speaking to a very clear set of facts so you continue to deflect. Cardinals fans this, rules of baseball that. You weren't ****ing lectured on the rulebook - I gave an explanation as to why Donaldson is pissed and cited MLB rules as justification; what's the damn problem?

Nobody here is being holier than thou - I'm asking you to speak to very direct questions that have nothing to do with anybodies fandom you can't do it so you just jump on the 'derp Cardinals' dogpile.

Like I said, you fellas have acquitted yourself quite nicely in this particular pile of shit. Apart from Duncan, not a one of you are capable of rationally discussing baseball. Fine - enjoy your circle jerk. Donaldson shot first, or some other such make believe bullshit.

[tk13]

What rules weren't followed? It is up to the umpire to determine intent. I agree a lot of umps would've tossed Madson there. Wolf actually showed restraint. I'm assuming because he didn't think Madson would intentionally load the bases.

Was Madson trying to pitch inside? Of course he was. Is that illegal? No.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Like I said, you fellas have acquitted yourself quite nicely in this particular pile of shit. Apart from Duncan, not a one of you are capable of rationally discussing baseball. Fine - enjoy your circle jerk. Donaldson shot first, or some other such make believe bullshit.

I feel like I'm reading the screeds of prepubescent teen. Because nobody knows as much as Cards fan.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by ChiTown

Thank God the Cardinals fans are here to straighten all this shit out. Such a blessing......

I know! Best fans in baseball! Yesterday, they fell down 0-3 early in the game and they all quit to watch reality TV. Literally. No posts.

Super awesome Cardinals fans on this board! Apparently, they watch more Royals baseball than Cardinals baseball!

Oh, but don't worry, they want to ban me from their thread ...

[Hootie]

at least Hamas has watched the game now so he can argue that Donaldson was nearly beaned in the head in the first inning ... with 105 MPH heat !

[ChiefsCountry]

Hit batters, stealing signs, and hard slides are nothing lets start a major brawl over being called whiny bitches and tapping the shin guards of the catcher.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Nobody has ever once said Madson was throwing at him on purpose. Never a single time. Jays included. You've been arguing with ghosts there.

Now please please please explain to me how Donaldson would have had any idea that the pitch from Volquez up and in was a changeup at the moment the incident occured - a pitch that by its very nature is designed to look like a fastball right up to the moment it reaches the plate. If that pitch is coming at your face and you'd just been hit in your last at bat, you're absolutely going to be convinced it's a fastball. The fact that he spun out of the box and didn't escalate things beyond that actually demonstrated a fair amount of self control. And by the end of the AB when he flipped the bat, of course he's still pissed because he still things Volquez threw a fastball at his chin. Every player in professional baseball would still be pissed there.

A changeup isn't like a slider; there's not that tell-tale dot that can give it away. Everything on that pitch apart from what it does in the last 10 feet is going to look exactly like a fastball and by the time the pitch was 10 feet away, Donaldson had already spun out of there because it looked like heat to him. Yes, you're being myopic if you think Donaldson instigated that or that he didn't have cause for his irritation.

What the **** are you talking about? Yeah, he was a bit spooked, understandably so, but he knew it was a change after the initial impulse of "oh, ****" washed over him.

The last 10 feet? Makes no sense (in baseball terms).

Pretty simple: dude was pumped up and on edge. Pitch (any pitch doesn't ****ing matter) comes close, and he loses his mind. Dude was being driven entirely by emotion and not thinking logically.

It happens. It makes him a ****ing idiot to the rationale world, but it happens.

[Reaper16]

Here's the thing:

Cardinals fans have been put into a tricky rhetorical position because of how the whole BFIB thing has begun to backfire in recent years. In any given baseball discussion, a Cardinals fan who insists that they are correct about something or that the opposing party doesn't understand something -- even if that Cardinals fan is absolutely right -- suffers the disadvantage of appearing snooty/on a high horse/etc. It's unfair, but that's where we are: assertions of superiority, including most varieties of message board bluster, feed into the larger Cards fan narrative that they always feel superior to everyone else.

The rhetorical paths to getting around that are narrow and few, but they exist. Hamas and DJ's Left Nut are certainly smart enough to understand the rhetorical position that they are in. But you guys (well, Hamas especially) have chosen to argue in ways that totally support that Cards fan narrative anyway. It doesn't matter that you have level takes and it doesn't matter that you're insulting some posters that exhibit the worst parts of the Royals fanbase -- the Kansas Jayhawks fan with Jayhawks aspirations for the Royals -- because the rhetorical approach you've chosen takes the focus away from whatever those Royals fans are saying and puts it onto you and your status as Cards fans acting in concert with everyone's expectations of Cards fans.

[KCUnited]

When's recess?