****OFFICIAL Royals at Blue Jays GDT 08/02****

[RealSNR]

Time to take a catheter and shove it up their Dickey!

Game start: 12:07 central

KC: Volquez (10-5, 3.21)
TOR: Dickey (5-10, 4.27)

Go Royals!


Royals
Escobar
Zobrist
Cain
Hosmer
Morales
Perez
Rios
Cuthbert
Infante

Blue Jays
Tulowitzki
Donaldson
Bautista
Encarnacion
Colabello
Martin
Pillar
Goins
Revere

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

Here's the thing:

Cardinals fans have been put into a tricky rhetorical position because of how the whole BFIB thing has begun to backfire in recent years. In any given baseball discussion, a Cardinals fan who insists that they are correct about something or that the opposing party doesn't understand something -- even if that Cardinals fan is absolutely right -- suffers the disadvantage of appearing snooty/on a high horse/etc. It's unfair, but that's where we are: assertions of superiority, including most varieties of message board bluster, feed into the larger Cards fan narrative that they always feel superior to everyone else.

The rhetorical paths to getting around that are narrow and few, but they exist. Hamas and DJ's Left Nut are certainly smart enough to understand the rhetorical position that they are in. But you guys (well, Hamas especially) have chosen to argue in ways that totally support that Cards fan narrative anyway. It doesn't matter that you have level takes and it doesn't matter that you're insulting some posters that exhibit the worst parts of the Royals fanbase -- the Kansas Jayhawks fan with Jayhawks aspirations for the Royals -- because the rhetorical approach you've chosen takes the focus away from whatever those Royals fans are saying and puts it onto you and your status as Cards fans acting in concert with everyone's expectations of Cards fans.

[Hootie]

I'd respect Hamas a lot more if he wouldn't have tried to argue for 3 pages without watching the ****ing game. Donaldson almost got beaned in the head in the 1st! . It hit him in the bicep. What about Donaldson getting hit in the 7th! (He struck out). And my God! Volquez almost took his head off with a changeup!

[DeezNutz]

The pitch recognition for ML hitters is unbelievable. "Then if they recognize it why do they swing and miss????" Because the timing is such that any commitment at all, getting fooled in the slightest, absolutely ****s you.

So, yeah, Donaldson was edgy and initially fooled on a change up and in. But a ****ing MVP candidate ultimately knew what that pitch was; he was just too caught up in the moment to back down, IMO, and the slightest anything fed his anger.

There is a difference between recognizing it out of the hand and recognizing the pitch overall.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

Here's the thing:

Cardinals fans have been put into a tricky rhetorical position because of how the whole BFIB thing has begun to backfire in recent years. In any given baseball discussion, a Cardinals fan who insists that they are correct about something or that the opposing party doesn't understand something -- even if that Cardinals fan is absolutely right -- suffers the disadvantage of appearing snooty/on a high horse/etc. It's unfair, but that's where we are: assertions of superiority, including most varieties of message board bluster, feed into the larger Cards fan narrative that they always feel superior to everyone else.

The rhetorical paths to getting around that are narrow and few, but they exist. Hamas and DJ's Left Nut are certainly smart enough to understand the rhetorical position that they are in. But you guys (well, Hamas especially) have chosen to argue in ways that totally support that Cards fan narrative anyway. It doesn't matter that you have level takes and it doesn't matter that you're insulting some posters that exhibit the worst parts of the Royals fanbase -- the Kansas Jayhawks fan with Jayhawks aspirations for the Royals -- because the rhetorical approach you've chosen takes the focus away from whatever those Royals fans are saying and puts it onto you and your status as Cards fans acting in concert with everyone's expectations of Cards fans.

The first paragraph is true and I don't dislike either of these guys. I still have zero ****s given over the entire incident. To me, it was a Sunday afternoon game with some chin music, a few HBP'S and then some bad acting in the form of ridiculous post game tweets, since deleted.

But, I guess I've watched and played enough baseball to know that's all it was. And we can't expect everybody to feel the same way.

But I also don't care to hear the grandiose, rhapsodic waxings of cards fans who simply must interject their "you're incapable of ...into this thread.

[srvy]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Thank God Royals fans don't have a substantive rebuttal and instead just want to talk shit. Please, continue with the screen name smack talk and 'derp' comments; most of you fellas have been fountains of reasonable discourse and have just COVERED Royals fans in glory in this thread.

Nice work, all. You've sure shown us stupid Cardinals fans that you can rationally discuss baseball.

Haven't you got something better to do. Go get your pink razor and trim those vaginal pubes.

[RealSNR]

Donaldson is a flaming douchebag.

The Royals players clearly feel the world is out to get them (rightly or wrongly) and are taking matters into their own hands when they get involved in these scrums.

There. Can't we all get along, now?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by SNR

Donaldson is a flaming douchebag.

The Royals players clearly feel the world is out to get them (rightly or wrongly) and are taking matters into their own hands when they get involved in these scrums.

There. Can't we all get along, now?

Are they clutch though?

[WilliamTheIrish]

Originally Posted by O.city

Are they clutch though?

O.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

1) The Donaldson question has been answered - again, his fit was towards the ump. Watch John Gibbons argue with Wolf - he keeps saying "I don't !@#$ing care" when Wolf is talking intent.

Who gives a shit if his fit was towards the ump or the pitcher? No one is arguing that, no one cares. Stop beating up the strawman.

[Three7s]

This debate is getting a little old......

[C3HIEF3S]

Originally Posted by Three7s

This debate is getting a little old......

No shit.. not often a GDT gets more posts after the game itself than it did during the game.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Three7s

This debate is getting a little old......

Its approaching ASS11 levels.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

The first paragraph is true and I don't dislike either of these guys. I still have zero ****s given over the entire incident. To me, it was a Sunday afternoon game with some chin music, a few HBP'S and then some bad acting in the form of ridiculous post game tweets, since deleted.

But, I guess I've watched and played enough baseball to know that's all it was. And we can't expect everybody to feel the same way.

But I also don't care to hear the grandiose, rhapsodic waxings of cards fans who simply must interject their "you're incapable of ...into this thread.

I'm with you on all counts. I've mostly been trolling or poking at people in this thread because I don't have anything I feel compelled to defend or pillory.

[KCUnited]

This thread has just polished off it's 3rd High Life and is eyeballing the Johnnie Walker...Blue.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by tk13

That's the point. They didn't. There doesn't have to be a warning to fine or suspend a guy.

All I said was that if any Royal was going to be suspended it was him as he was stupid enough to practically admit to hitting Donaldson on purpose (which usually gets you suspended). I didn't say he should have been, nor do I care either way. In fact, as a Jays fan, I'd obviously prefer the Royals winning more games the rest of the way.