***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Think this was posted already, but just heard a podcast that quoted a bunch of doctors stating taking Ibuprofen/Advil absolutely makes this virus deadly.

It accelerates it into pnuemonia.

DON'T TAKE IBUPROFEN

Does ibuprofen (sold under Advil, NeoProfen, etc.) make COVID-19 (coronavirus) symptoms worse? Dr. Keith Armitage, Medical Director, UH Roe Green Center for Travel Medicine & Global Health, explains. #coronavirus #COVID19 pic.twitter.com/4HAOpWCxMR

— University Hospitals (@UHhospitals) March 24, 2020

that wasnt posted yesterday you dumb ****. tweets have dates on them


here's one that is more recent https://www.wired.com/story/the-ibup...vid-19-rumors/



EDIT: you sure edited that quickly.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by SupDock

Most doctors that I know are not "liberally" prescribing it. I will echo Pete's sentiment. No one is saying they aren't allowed to do it, they are saying that they generally should not be doing it.

My wife hasn’t brought any home and we have a defibrillator, epi pens , narcan, tami flu for days, and we have zero people at risk in our extended family, so if she thought it would help my cupboards would be full of it.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

that wasnt posted yesterday you dumb ****. tweets have dates on them

here's one that is more recent https://www.wired.com/story/the-ibup...vid-19-rumors/

Excellent, thank you.

Must read info.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Can't just bypass clinical trials before you put it into wholesale use. Not for a disease that's killing 1-2% of people it infects and those deaths are heavily weighted within a very constrained demographic.

For once I actually agree with something you post. Nice username btw.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Think this was posted already, but just heard a podcast that quoted a bunch of doctors stating taking Ibuprofen/Advil absolutely makes this virus deadly.

It accelerates it into pnuemonia.

DON'T TAKE IBUPROFEN

Does ibuprofen (sold under Advil, NeoProfen, etc.) make COVID-19 (coronavirus) symptoms worse? Dr. Keith Armitage, Medical Director, UH Roe Green Center for Travel Medicine & Global Health, explains. #coronavirus #COVID19 pic.twitter.com/4HAOpWCxMR

— University Hospitals (@UHhospitals) March 24, 2020

This seems like something my uncle would post on Facebook.

What's the science behind Advil "kickstarting" a virus into pneumonia?

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Think this was posted already, but just heard a podcast that quoted a bunch of doctors stating taking Ibuprofen/Advil absolutely makes this virus deadly.

It accelerates it into pnuemonia.

DON'T TAKE IBUPROFEN

Does ibuprofen (sold under Advil, NeoProfen, etc.) make COVID-19 (coronavirus) symptoms worse? Dr. Keith Armitage, Medical Director, UH Roe Green Center for Travel Medicine & Global Health, explains. #coronavirus #COVID19 pic.twitter.com/4HAOpWCxMR

— University Hospitals (@UHhospitals) March 24, 2020

Pretty sure this was debunked.

[ThaVirus]

Maybe I should watch the videos. I guess they're speculating that the anti-inflammatory properties may exacerbate the issue.. Hmm.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

This seems like something my uncle would post on Facebook.

Only if your Uncle is Dr. Keith Armitage, Medical Director, UH Roe Green Center for Travel Medicine & Global Health.

Stop taking Ibuprofen or Advil.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Maybe I should watch the videos. I guess they're speculating that the anti-inflammatory properties may exacerbate the issue.. Hmm.

But HCQ has a a anti-inflammatory properties.

[Hammock Parties]

⚠️ #COVIDー19 | La prise d'anti-inflammatoires (ibuprofène, cortisone, ...) pourrait être un facteur d'aggravation de l’infection. En cas de fièvre, prenez du paracétamol.
Si vous êtes déjà sous anti-inflammatoires ou en cas de doute, demandez conseil à votre médecin.

— Olivier Véran (@olivierveran) March 14, 2020

Taking anti-inflammatory drugs (ibuprofen, cortisone, ...) could be an aggravating factor of the infection. If you have a fever, take paracetamol.
If you are already on anti-inflammatory drugs or in doubt, ask your doctor for advice.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

This seems like something my uncle would post on Facebook.

What's the science behind Advil "kickstarting" a virus into pneumonia?

From Sauto's Wired article linked above:

The trouble over ibuprofen began March 11, when researchers at University Hospital Basel, in Switzerland, and Aristotle University of Thessaloniki, in Greece, published a letter in The Lancet Respiratory Medicine. The letter reviewed three early sets of case reports from China, covering almost 1,300 patients gravely ill with Covid-19. The letter’s authors observed that significant numbers of those patients had high blood pressure and diabetes, from 12 percent to 30 percent depending on the study, and theorized that higher rates of expression of a particular enzyme, known for short as ACE2, might be raising the risk of coronavirus infection.

ACE2 provides a place on cell surfaces for the coronavirus to attach and enter in order to replicate. High blood pressure and diabetes are treated with drugs that suppress inflammation, called ACE inhibitors; the inhibitors, paradoxically, cause ACE2 to rise. That interaction is where the authors spotted a possible connection between patients experiencing chronic diseases and then becoming infected with Covid-19.

And that’s where ibuprofen entered the unfolding story, too. The over-the-counter drug doesn’t only knock down fever. It also reduces inflammation (the class of drugs it belongs to are known as NSAIDs, non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs). That effect, as with the anti-inflammatory drugs given to chronic disease patients, can cause ACE2 to rise.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

⚠️ #COVIDー19 | La prise d'anti-inflammatoires (ibuprofène, cortisone, ...) pourrait être un facteur d'aggravation de l’infection. En cas de fièvre, prenez du paracétamol.
Si vous êtes déjà sous anti-inflammatoires ou en cas de doute, demandez conseil à votre médecin.

— Olivier Véran (@olivierveran) March 14, 2020

Taking anti-inflammatory drugs (ibuprofen, cortisone, ...) could be an aggravating factor of the infection. If you have a fever, take paracetamol.
If you are already on anti-inflammatory drugs or in doubt, ask your doctor for advice.

Stop posting debunked information from two weeks ago.

[Hammock Parties]

Sorry, I hadn't seen any of this.

But it does seem like you should stop taking Ibuprofen.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by Monticore

But HCQ has a a anti-inflammatory properties.

even the medical doctors on here don't know anything about this yet. The greatest minds in the world are collectively working on this and we still don't have definitive answers.

Stay home and wait for more info, I guess. It's gonna take awhile.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Sorry, I hadn't seen any of this.

But it does seem like you should stop taking Ibuprofen.

.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

That's a false myth spread on the internet, which apparently came from France during the early days of the virus.

Motrin/Ibuprofen is completely safe to take if you have or think you have the virus.

Here's a link:

https://www.sciencealert.com/who-rec...id-19-symptoms