***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by D2112

The town I live in has some shady tap water, I posted the contaminants earlier in this thread. I only use tap water for coffee tea or oat meal. This is going on 3 weeks people stock piling bottled water

Man that sucks, cant trust tap water? why? Older water infrastructure pipes that leak or something? Welll that would explain the run on bottled water,

We have an issue down here with the sewers built in 1920 leaking, When we get storms or long lasting rain events, they dump water that may have been contaminated into the gulf, Spending $300 million to fix it, hasn't happened in a couple of years now.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I don't think there is any link that has been shown to prove that but at the end of the day would you be surprised to find out that there was some kind of link at least with some people?

Yeah, it would be pretty surprising

[Pablo]

I think the corona will magically evaporate from the Earth as of 3/29.

*positive vibes*

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I don't think there is any link that has been shown to prove that but at the end of the day would you be surprised to find out that there was some kind of link at least with some people?

Yes. They are two completely discrete viral illnesses and flu season is already trending down.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by Pablo

I think the corona will magically evaporate from the Earth as of 3/29.

*positive vibes*

I'm assuming you're referring to one you spilled on the floor last night.

[2112]

Originally Posted by O.city

We’re out of peak flu season

Did you see italy? 9.6 mortality rate and health care system wrecked. No vaccinations for the flu

Us 1.3% mortality rate and we vaccinate

Can you explain why the difference in mortality rate? I actually got this from this article

https://www.latimes.com/science/stor...nobel-laureate

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by loochy

They should have expected it though. What other place in the US is so perfect for a virus like this? Crowded, busy, international, lots of travel and tourists

I agree but it couldn’t happen here is common thought for most people , just look at this thread, yes NY has dense population but also has tons of resources. Small towns including mine just don’t have the resources to handle even just few critically ill patients. If we stay diligent we can beat this thing .

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by D2112

Did you see italy? 9.6 mortality rate and health care system wrecked. No vaccinations for the flu

Us 1.3% mortality rate and we vaccinate

Can you explain why the difference in mortality rate? I actually got this from this article

https://www.latimes.com/science/stor...nobel-laureate

I wouldn't read too much into that. Italy has a much older population than the US from what I understand.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by D2112

Did you see italy? 9.6 mortality rate and health care system wrecked. No vaccinations for the flu

Us 1.3% mortality rate and we vaccinate

Can you explain why the difference in mortality rate? I actually got this from this article

https://www.latimes.com/science/stor...nobel-laureate

Italy has a ton of elderly people. And not that there is any relationship to flu vaccine, but since you bring it up I can find no evidence of Italians being "anti-flu vaccine". A quick search makes it look like about 50% of them over age 65 get their flu shot. Maybe not as good as here, but they also aren't oblivious.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by D2112

Did you see italy? 9.6 mortality rate and health care system wrecked. No vaccinations for the flu

Us 1.3% mortality rate and we vaccinate

Can you explain why the difference in mortality rate? I actually got this from this article

https://www.latimes.com/science/stor...nobel-laureate

Correlation does not imply causation. Their hospital systems were overwhelmed with cases and they lacked supportive care for patients. New York is reaching that point. If they don't get enough vents their CFR will also increase markedly.

[2112]

All good, thanks for the feedback

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I don't know how anyone could reach this conclusion.

I guess I should have used fatality rate rather than "growth" as it seems like number of cases is just too inconstant due to testing variance. We have 6 states with deaths 95 or more, NY is 1/3rd of ALL deaths. Washington State is at 179 and they had 90 what 3 weeks ago?

The vast majority of states are seeing 1-5 deaths a day and that hasn't changed.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by petegz28

It's one thing to point out negative stories. It's another to nothing but then have anxiety attacks over them.

Originally Posted by petegz28

Firstly I was quoting someone else. Secondly you're the one who makes a beef with anyone that isn't on your end of the world train.

Just like you're doing now. No one attacked you. People are pointing out that you do nothing but focus on the negative and to an extreme.

No one is painting rainbows. Stop being so freaking overly-emotional.

You think because you quoted someone else then trash me that it doesn't count?

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

You did attack him. He posted an article and then you accused him of only talking about negative news about the CoronaVirus. This isn't a "Only post positive news NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread" it's "NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread"

As long as news comes from a reputable source and it isn't political there's no reason anyone should be attacked for posting news related to the CoronaVirus.

And Pete just keeps going with the attacks. Pete just stop digging your own hole and quit cluttering up this thread with your BS beefs. The ignore function still works on here, right?

[Donger]

18,691 new cases yesterday? Yeesh.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Correlation does not imply causation. Their hospital systems were overwhelmed with cases and they lacked supportive care for patients. New York is reaching that point. If they don't get enough vents their CFR will also increase markedly.

I just read that NY has over 1000 spare vents right now and more on the way.

I'll see if I can find the article.