Pats Cheating Comfirmed

[PizzaDoughz]

According to the report, the league sources say the NFL determined 11 of the 12 footballs used by the Patriots were under-inflated by two pounds per square inch each. Per NFL rules, footballs are required to be inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI and weigh between 14 and 15 ounces.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/1/2...bill-belichick

Discuss.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

link to what Dungy said?

“The NFL is going to have to do something about the Patriots’ ineligible-eligible substitution game,” former NFL head coach and current NBC Sports analyst Tony Dungy told PFT by email on Friday. “It is nothing but an intent to deceive and they are doing it very well. They’re reporting so fast and going so quickly the defense can’t respond. In fact, the officials can’t keep up.”

Dungy believes the officials missed at least one foul with this maneuver during the postseason.

“In the Baltimore game, [Shane] Vereen reported as ineligible several times,” Dungy explained. “If he stays in the game he must report again and continue to be ineligible. He must come out of the game for one play or there has to be a time out for him to play as an eligible receiver. On the touchdown drive Vereen played one play as ineligible and then played the next play in an eligible position. There should have been a penalty.”

Dungy also believed initially that the officials had missed an illegal formation foul on the Nate Solder play in the AFC title game (as folks like Jim Miller of SiriusXM NFL Radio have suggested), but Dungy has since become satisfied that receiver Brandon LaFell was close enough behind the line of scrimmage to not be “covering up” Solder, who was an eligible receiver on the play.

Dungy also noted that Cameron Fleming, who wears No. 71, had reported as eligible on the play before the Solder touchdown. Fleming then stayed in the game on the next snap, returning to an ineligible position. Because, as Dungy explained it, an administrative stoppage occurred between the two plays, Fleming was able to revert from eligible to ineligible.

The broader problem is that the Patriots, specifically against Baltimore, combined the legal ineligible-eligible receiver maneuver with a hurry-up offense to confuse both the defense and the officials. At field level, the audio from the referee’s microphone isn’t as clear as it is for folks in the seats or who are watching the game at home. Along with the overall confusion that arises when a team tries to snap the ball quickly, it becomes too much for a defense to fairly process — which is one of the reasons New England does it.

In Dungy’s view, it’s no different than making quick personnel changes in a no-huddle attack or using extra players in the huddle who run off the field seconds before the snap. The defense needs to have a fair chance to know who they’ll be facing, and until the NFL stops the Patriots from deliberately confusing defenses and rushing to the line to snap the ball, the only way to combat the scheme will be for defenses to bend a rule or two of their own.

Dungy said that, if he were coaching the Seahawks, he’d reluctantly tell the players to fake defensive injuries in the Super Bowl to counter New England’s tactic.

“It’s something I’m totally against doing but I would certainly tell my players to do it rather than have the NFL issue an apology the next day after we lost a Super Bowl,” Dungy said, adding he would do it only as a last resort.

The fact that Dungy would even consider that approach proves how strongly he feels about a tactic he believes the NFL should prevent the Patriots from utilizing in Super Bowl XLIX.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

It will be interesting to see how the refs handle NE's eligible/ineligible crap now that Dungy went public and exposed all the missed penalties on those plays.

I saw one missed penalty. A guy on the Solder TD play who should have left the game didn't.

Did you catch where Dungy said he would tell his players to cheat by faking an injury in reaction to an eligibility confusion on defense? He then retracted that statement but....

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Belichek basically pulling THE 'guy move'

deny,deny,deny

Even if your girlfriend catches you IN bed with her sister

wasn't me, i wasn't there, nope


Belichek 'i am now 100% convinced that our organization has followed every rule ....'

balls just magically deflated

He's basically saying 'prove it' ... 'where's the video?'

No magic. Science.

[GoChargers]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Wow. Well haven't read any posts and so t be on here for any discussion, but one thing is clear - Belichcick and the Patriots organizationally just raised a gigantic middle finger to the NFL for failing to do a better job of handling this frenzy. Basically, "fine, you won't say anything, WE WILL."

I imagine the haters will continue to disagree, but unless you think Belichick is an incredible liar (and there is no evidence whatsoever of that), the Patriots as an organization didn't intentionally do anything to cause this deflation situation.

Hey look, Asterisk is back spewing some more delusional homerism! Where's his sidekick?

[GoChargers]

Asterisk and Just Suckin' Dick ITT:

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Dicky McElephant

Belichick said that it wasnt filled in a warmed room.

He said they were filled in or near the locker room.

[Amnorix]

One simple possibility is that the colts inflate to 13.5 and do it outside.

Haters will hate but I have never seen Belichick respond to allegations like this. No suggestion by the NFL that he lied or was deceitful during Spygate (compare to Payton, who was found to cover things up).

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

But he's one of the NFL's favored jokes, so very little will come of this, and certainly nothing in time to make the season they cheated in, and will perhaps win another SB in, become almost impossible to win.

Again, OUR team needs to take notes and be very clear to the NFL that they're watching, and proceed based on what happens.

If a SB costs you one irrelevant draft pick and a $100,000 fine, pfffffft, go for it! After 45+ years of NOT BEING IN A SB, you have to pull out all the stops to at least get to one, and skirting the rules is very called-for if what the NFL does to the Pats amounts to nothing IN THIS SEASON.

Perhaps suspending BB, the OC and DC for the SB (the morning of the SB) might send a good message.

Finally; someone who gets it.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by GoChargers

Hey look, Asterisk is back spewing some more delusional homerism! Where's his sidekick?

I am sorry Rivers can't beat the Patriots, like ever. Your bitter tears of jealousy are obvious.

[GoChargers]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

One simple possibility is that the colts inflate to 13.5 and do it outside.

Haters will hate but I have never seen Belichick respond to allegations like this. No suggestion by the NFL that he lied or was deceitful during Spygate (compare to Payton, who was found to cover things up).

[bobbymitch]

The gas laws are based on the Kelvin temp scale so any temp difference is tempered. That said, if the balls were inflated to 13 psi at in a room at 72 F and taken to a 50 F location, the football will "loose" about 0.5 psi. If inflated at 120 F it would wind up at 11.4 psi, and if inflated in a room at 175 F the pressure would drop to 10.4 psi at 50 F.

If filled at 72 F and taken to 0 F, the pressure would be 11 psi. (for those in Green Bay and Buffalo)

At least that what my math shows. Your mileage may vary.

[GloucesterChief]

I have never seen some people try to deny Occam's razor in so many ways and so vehemently.

The simple explanation is the Patriots manipulated their football's pressure given the facts.

[KCrockaholic]

I just don't even care about the damn thing. Makes no difference at all to me. It's only an issue because the media wants us to think it's an issue.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

The NFL is in no way fixed. People just cheat.

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams

The NFL is in no way fixed. People just cheat.

It's both and you know it.