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Old 11-02-2015, 05:00 PM  
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Well, folks, it has happened. The Royals stand triumphant, atop the heap of MLB.

In this thread, we'll track the action as Dayton Moore continues The Process and attempts to defend the long-awaited title.

Before we get to the meet of it, let's take a minute to reflect ... and say "I'm Sorry" to Dayton Moore.

We gave you hell. Many of us called for your head. But you were right. You got it done. Congratulations. Mea culpa.

Now, let's talk about the offseason:

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The Royals will have a few priorities: Corner OF (x2) and 1 SP, IMO. The rest of the core is solid and will need little tweaking. Looking at the increase in ticket sales, merchandising, concessions, parking, etc., I think it's fair to assume the Royals GROSSED $100 million more this season, or close to it. That gives Glass and Dayton Moore much more flexibility on payroll for 2016 (hopefully).

First order of business will be gauging the Alex Gordon market. If he can be resigned for 4-5 years at around $75-80 million total, it would be hard for KC to pass on that. He's still an above-average corner OF bat, and the Royals will need to bring in at least one proven guy to play in a corner if Gordon walks... and the whole market looks a lot like Alex - guys in their early 30s looking for huge, final contracts.

Second order of business: Make a decision on Zobrist. It sounds like KC will pursue him aggressively. At 34, he's at risk of declining in a big way after a few years. If they could find someone to take on Omar Infante for eating 1/2 of his deal, that would be a great start to things.

If they decide not to spend on Zobrist, KC will need to cobble together some sort of plan for 2B/RF that involves some cheaper options like Orlando, Colon, Dyson, etc.

I could see them deciding his ability to provide great insurance at either 2B or in RF is worth the risk.

Third order of business: Add depth to the rotation with a FA SP. Duffy, Ventura, Volquez and Medlen are locks for 4 spots, it seems. Kyle Zimmer may finally be ready to make a MLB impact, but his innings will be limited. That means KC needs insurance. Will it kill two birds with one stone (and insure against Duffy/Ventura regression) by signing a more top-tier guy? Or does Moore look to Chris Young/someone like him for this depth?

Personally, I think Mike Leake would be a great fit with KC's defense and park, and I know Moore has long coveted him. He's still young - just 28 - and has succeeded in bandbox Cincinnati for years.

Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Marco Estrada, and Justin Masterson are some other names that may pique interest (a little further down the list).

Other than that, I don't think KC makes any major moves. Greg Holland will be interesting to observe, as they have one more year of control of him, and he will obviously miss all of that season. I wouldn't be surprised to see a pre-arbitration deal that pays him something like $15 million over the next two seasons, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turned loose, period.

The bullpen will rest upon Wade Davis/Herrera/Hochevar, filling in pieces around them. Bringing Madson back wouldn't be a surprise, but he could get a big deal from another team that is willing to pay him as their top setup guy or even their closer.

I think the biggest prospects to watch in Spring Training will be:

1) Kyle Zimmer. The hype has built, died down, built again, etc. If he's healthy, he's filthy and a potential ToR arm. But what does he look like in ST, and how many innings can you reasonably expect from him if he does earn a rotation spot? It seems like 120-130 innings would be his limit unless they really stretch (or unless he has a lot of hidden innings from simulated games/extended spring training, which might push him to 150-160).

Having another cheap, home-grown pitcher would be a significant boon for this team as it tries to extend the competitive window (and potentially give KC a strong 1-2 to build its rotation around in Zimmer and Ventura)

2) Bubba Starling. I'm trying to remain skeptical, but I like what I hear about Bubba from this season, and the performance has picked up. If KC does not sign someone to fill the RF slot, I think that's a strong indication KC's front office believes Starling will be ready to contribute in 2016.

Dayton Moore has long said that when Starling's light flips on, it will happen quickly and burn brightly. Time will tell.

After his STRONG Arizona Fall League Performance, he shot up my prospect chart.

3) Miguel Almonte. His late-season stint out of the KC bullpen went poorly, but Almonte has a plus-plus changeup, a good fastball, and a decent curve ball. He may be the dark horse in the rotation competition, and unlike Zimmer, he's set up to pitch a full 180 inning season.

4) RA Mondesi. The only player to debut in the MLB World Series has incredible tools. He still needs to refine his game, but again... he may be KC's best cheap, plus alternative at a key position (2B). His defense would be a boon from Day 1, but he needs seasoning with the bat before he's asked to hold down 2B full time.

And, as always, here are the Prospects:

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Old 12-09-2015, 03:27 PM   #1321
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this was before Greinke, right?

Apparently Cuetos market isn't nearly as high as he expected.


He didn't pitch well in KC outside of 2/3 games and it cost him.
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Old 12-09-2015, 03:28 PM   #1322
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Dude he was a rental for us! He played with Maddon in Tampa so this is perfect fit for him
I know.. but **** the Cubs, they don't deserve him.
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Old 12-09-2015, 03:29 PM   #1323
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What are the odds that Infante improves at the plate over what he did last year? Is that kind of thing completely unheard of for a guy his age?
I guess we are going to find out.

Can't trade him and can't afford to cut him.
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Old 12-09-2015, 03:30 PM   #1324
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Holy shit the Braves fleeced the D'Backs....building a shit ton of young talent.
Not really, it's a win/win IMO. 3 years of control for Shelby Miller with an offense that can put runs on the board, adding to the front line of Greinke. I think they see the window with Goldschmidt to be now. Not many hitters like him in the game. Nothing wrong with going all in for a few years. Braves win by getting 3 high level prospects, you're right. But they are years away from being competitive.
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Old 12-09-2015, 03:36 PM   #1325
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Not really, it's a win/win IMO. 3 years of control for Shelby Miller with an offense that can put runs on the board, adding to the front line of Greinke. I think they see the window with Goldschmidt to be now. Not many hitters like him in the game. Nothing wrong with going all in for a few years. Braves win by getting 3 high level prospects, you're right. But they are years away from being competitive.
Agreed. Grienke, Miller, a healthy Patrick Corbin and an offense featuring Goldy, Pollock and David Peralta. The D backs will be heard from this year
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Old 12-09-2015, 03:45 PM   #1326
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@Buster_ESPN: As the market now begins to shift toward the unsigned outfielders, rival evaluators see the Giants as frontrunners for Alex Gordon.
If Hootie were still here, I'd tell him the Giants are finally paying off Alex Gordon for not hustling out of the batter's box.

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Old 12-09-2015, 04:47 PM   #1327
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Ugghhh watching the Ben Zobrist press conference in Chicago.... **** the Cubs, they don't deserve him.
He helped us get a ring and deserved to get paid. If not with us, I have no issue with him going over to help beat St. Louis...
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Old 12-09-2015, 05:21 PM   #1328
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Old 12-09-2015, 05:30 PM   #1329
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He helped us get a ring and deserved to get paid. If not with us, I have no issue with him going over to help beat St. Louis...
Disagree. Don't want to be a Royal? F you.
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Disagree. Don't want to be a Royal? F you.
I'm sure his desire to play baseball for as long as he can ranks higher than exactly where he's playing baseball, especially when the team that's paying him through 38yo is a contender and is managed by someone he knows.... he can love it here and have perfectly good reasons to go elsewhere.
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Old 12-09-2015, 06:16 PM   #1332
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I'm sure his desire to play baseball for as long as he can ranks higher than exactly where he's playing baseball, especially when the team that's paying him through 38yo is a contender and is managed by someone he knows.... he can love it here and have perfectly good reasons to go elsewhere.
I don't know if it made a difference, but people are also forgetting Zobrist is from Illinois.
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Disagree. Don't want to be a Royal? F you.
That's a dumb comment if I've ever seen one.
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Old 12-09-2015, 06:45 PM   #1335
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My comment was not directed at Zobrist himself.. if it weren't for him the Royals are not world champions, I just can't stand the Cubs... **** ass Jim Belushi is a Cubs fan.. that is all you need to know.
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