Did you over-react to the work of Casshole?

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Ehh.... seems pretty clear that there are posters who are more emotionally invested in Cassel failing than they are in the team doing well.

I think there are a number of posters who still need to see something from Cassel in a critical situation against superior teams to really buy into him.

I think that's legitimate.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by milkman

I think there are a number of posters who still need to see something from Cassel in a critical situation against superior teams to really buy into him.

I think that's legitimate.

Sanity!

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by milkman

I think there are a number of posters who still need to see something from Cassel in a critical situation against superior teams to really buy into him.

I think that's legitimate.

While I think your premise is reasonable, albeit flawed (Pitt from last year comes quickly to mind), I don't think it extends to all the bashers. There's no doubt in my mind that there are Chiefs fans posting here who would get more satisfaction from a Cassel int against the Raiders that cost the Chiefs a postseason spot than they'd get from a Cassel TD strike that resulted in a come-from-behind victory and locked up the division title. They are just that invested in the notion of Cassel failing.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

While I think your premise is reasonable, albeit flawed (Pitt from last year comes quickly to mind), I don't think it extends to all the bashers. There's no doubt in my mind that there are Chiefs fans posting here who would get more satisfaction from a Cassel int against the Raiders that cost the Chiefs a postseason spot than they'd get from a Cassel TD strike that resulted in a come-from-behind victory and locked up the division title. They are just that invested in the notion of Cassel failing.

I gave Cassel props for that Pittsburg game, but that isn't really the kind of critical situation we are talking about here.

And I think there there is probably small group of people who are that are invested in the notion of failing.

But I don't think it's going to be more than a handful, at most, and I believe that the majority of the posters that I believe that TRR is referring to will come around when Cassel meets the requirements I'm talking about.

[|Zach|]

If you are dedicated in finding flaws in something you will. Especially in sports.

I can spot clients that are dedicated to being unhappy from miles away. I don't need their business.

[Sully]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Ehh.... seems pretty clear that there are posters who are more emotionally invested in Cassel failing than they are in the team doing well. Whether you take that as them actually rooting against the team in order to buttress their position, or just being complete douchebags towards a specific player, is largely a matter of individual interpretation.

The only emotional investment I see is wanting the Chiefs to do the best... And the anger that goes along with their belief that they've settled for second beat at the QB position.

Why would anyone get bent out of shape about Cassel, TJ, or any player if they weren't invested in seeing thus team do well?


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[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Sully

The only emotional investment I see is wanting the Chiefs to do the best... And the anger that goes along with their belief that they've settled for second beat at the QB position.

Why would anyone get bent out of shape about Cassel, TJ, or any player if they weren't invested in seeing thus team do well?


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Sorry but, if you can't see it, you're blind. The team is 9-5 and leading the division, just 2 years removed from a 2 win season, and there's still a significant portion of this board bitching about Cassel at every opportunity.

That's not "wanting the Chiefs to do the best".

[|Zach|]

As far as MC goes I wasn't that unhappy with him last year. There were a number of reasons he got a pass from me last year but the big one being that the ****ing offense was thrown out before the season even started.

I expected more from him with a full training camp with this new coaching staff and just the same year under his belt that the whole organization was enjoying.

I was pretty disappointed at the start. Not throwing in the towel but being disappointed that I was seeing the same kind of stuff I did last year. However, there would be flashes of not just good passes but great passes. You could tell it was getting there. I also thought it was weird how he would seem to not do well with out established offense but when we were in 2 min situations he would zip the ball down just fine. Like that hurry up mentality made things more simplified.

Somewhere along the season I remember seeing improvement and feeling like he graduated from "bad to inconsistent" he would show us things but enough to where you felt comfortable to deliver. Then he went from "inconsistent to good" you could just see this was a guy who was making passes and leading this team. It was soooo nice to see.

If you aren't sold yet then oh welllll.

[Chiefnj2]

TRR is correct. Some people come out from under their bridges when Cassel plays poorly.

[DeezNutz]

There's a lot of gray area, even for those like myself who admitted to hating the acquisition and his play for the majority of his time in KC. I'm sorry, when you post a QB rating of 14.6, and then claim you graded out "perfectly," I won't say positive things.

But even during this period, if he performed well, made a good throw, etc., I said so (usually in game threads).

So, back to the initial question. Again, this is too simplistic. Did I react rashly to the initial acquisition? Perhaps. Did I react rashly to his on-field play? I think a strong argument can be made for "no."

What might be my biggest mistake is that I claimed that "presence" and "football instincts" cannot be learned at the highest level. If Cassel continues his current trajectory, he will definitely prove me wrong.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

There's a lot of gray area, even for those like myself who admitted to hating the acquisition and his play for the majority of his time in KC. I'm sorry, when you post a QB rating of 14.6, and then claim you graded out "perfectly," I won't say positive things.

But even during this period, if he performed well, made a good throw, etc., I said so (usually in game threads).

So, back to the initial question. Again, this is too simplistic. Did I react rashly to the initial acquisition? Perhaps. Did I react rashly to his on-field play? I think a strong argument can be made for "no."

What might be my biggest mistake is that I claimed that "presence" and "football instincts" cannot be learned at the highest level. If Cassel continues his current trajectory, he will definitely prove me wrong.

Still waiting.

[Sully]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Sorry but, if you can't see it, you're blind. The team is 9-5 and leading the division, just 2 years removed from a 2 win season, and there's still a significant portion of this board bitching about Cassel at every opportunity.

That's not "wanting the Chiefs to do the best".

Got it.
Wanting better from our QB is NOT wanting the best.
Makes sense.


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[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Sully

Got it.
Wanting better from our QB is NOT wanting the best.
Makes sense.


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JFC


I'm a Patriots fan, and I still want better from Brady. I'd expect that about 99.99999999% of Colts fans feel that way about Manning. That doesn't translate to bashing the QB over every incompletion. You're trying to make them the same thing.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Sully

Got it.
Wanting better from our QB is NOT wanting the best.
Makes sense.


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It's fine to want better play from our QB. It's another thing to refuse to acknowledge it when we get better play. The Chiefs have plenty of holes. Starting QB is not one of them. We are getting good play from a QB that is trending upward. This is beyond what anyone expected to see a year ago.

[Sully]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

And therein lies the escape clause. Mind you, I'm not calling you out as one who's specifically moved the posts. I'm just noting the way the goalposts get moved.

There was a thread several weeks ago. I think it was titled "I know everyone hates Cassel."
If that's the right thread, many bashers put forth the things they would need to see from Cassel to accept him as the answer.
All this talk of "moving goalposts," you'd think it'd be easy to pull up that thread and use specifics.

You see... This has become every bit as idiotic as a political argument.
Why?
Because it has turned into people constantly saying, "You believe _____," rather than listening to people say what they believe.
It's much easier to build statement than to actually deal with the real-life facts.


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