KC Man spits on Jane Fonda - Page 9

crossbow · 04-20-2005, 03:24 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor.../fonda_spitter

TIM CURRAN, Associated Press Writer

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - A man spit tobacco juice into the face of actress Jane Fonda after waiting in line to have her sign her new book, police said.

The man ran off but was quickly caught by police Tuesday night and charged with disorderly conduct.

Fonda has been on tour and doing interviews to promote her just-published memoir, "My Life So Far." The thrice-married, two-time Academy Award winner covers a wide array of topics, including her 1972 visit to Hanoi to protest the Vietnam War, during which she was photographed on a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun. She has apologized for that photo, but not for opposing the war.

Capt. Rich Lockhart of the Kansas City Police Department said that although Fonda did not want to press charges against Michael A. Smith, 54, of Kansas City, he was arrested on a municipal charge of disorderly conduct after off-duty officers caught him just outside Unity Temple, where Fonda was signing books.

Lockhart said Smith was released on bond late Tuesday night and is due to appear in municipal court on May 27.

Smith, a Vietnam veteran, told The Kansas City Star on Wednesday that Fonda was a "traitor" and that her protests against the war were unforgivable. He said he normally does not chew tobacco but did so Tuesday solely to spit juice on the actress.

"I consider it a debt of honor," he told The Star for a story on its Web site, www.kansascity.com. "She spit in our faces for 37 years. It was absolutely worth it. There are a lot of veterans who would love to do what I did."

**Donger** · 04-20-2005, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jcroft

Well, I haven't read all that yet, but I can see you missed the point. I BELIEVE you that she was a traitor. I've been convinced of that since the first page of this thread.

But, even so, I still think it was classless of some random guy to spit on her. Perhaps a judge should have sentenced her to being spit on (or worse), but it wasn't this guy's job to take it under his own control.

Plus, it was classless (have I mentioned that?).

Oh no. I heard you. I was just trying to give you some context of what the spitter went through thanks to the actions of this silly gash.

Coach · 04-20-2005, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

What a waste of perfectly good tobacco juice.

Heh. I wonder what kind of brand he used.

**Donger** · 04-20-2005, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jcroft

Okay, I have no read all of that, and I didn't find anything in it that would make her a traitor. I'm not saying she wasn't a traitor -- just that nothing in that post says so.

Everything she said there would be protected by her freedom of speech, I would think. Just like Natalie Maines had a right to speak out aganist the war, so did Jane.

Now, if she did something to aid the enemy, that could be a different story. I'm not sure what the definition of treason is, exactly (as far as the law is concerned), but I know just visiting a country we are fighting with and speaking out aganist a war wouldn't qualify.

What else did she do?

Article 3 of the Constitution thus provides that treason shall consist only in levying war against the United States or in giving aid and comfort to its enemies.

Considering that a large part of the NV strategy was to fight a tw-front war (one in Vietnam and one with the anti-war folks in the USA), I'd argue that she met the second criteria.

jcroft · 04-20-2005, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger

Article 3 of the Constitution thus provides that treason shall consist only in levying war against the United States or in giving aid and comfort to its enemies.

Considering that a large part of the NV strategy was to fight a tw-front war (one in Vietnam and one with the anti-war folks in the USA), I'd argue that she met the second criteria.

Hmm, perhaps you are right. I guess it just depends how "comfort" is defined.

Anyway, I'm out -- got shit to do. Been a good discussion. As always, I respect all of you guys opinions and any disagreement is in no way personal!

Thanks for the good debate.

**Donger** · 04-20-2005, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ENDelt260

What did I remember?

This has the makings of a "Who's on first?" parody.

I once convinced a really hot, but unbelievably stupid, gal in HS that the stop signs with the white borders around them were optional/yield signs. She figured it out after the second ticket.

"They ALL have white borders!!!"

IIRC, I mentioned this story on CP once. Hence, my question.

**Donger** · 04-20-2005, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ENDelt260

I think you have told that story before... but, no, I didn't remember it.

I like the second ticket part. You'd think the conversation with the cop while receiving the first ticket would've tipped her off. I gotta think it included an exchange similar to this..

"You know why I pulled you over?"
"No."
"You ran that stop sign back there."
"I thought it was optional."

I suppose you also had to convince her the first cop was lying to her when he told her they weren't optional?

Like I said, she was (and almost certainly still is) unbelievably stupid. I'm talking about a level of stupidity bordering on not being able to walk and breathe at the same time.

Valiant · 04-20-2005, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach

Heh. I wonder what kind of brand he used.

Man if he said.. That will be a great ad for some tobacco company...

crossbow · 04-20-2005, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jcroft

Alright. But I told you my feelings on that -- a convicted traitor should definitely get a very harsh punishment. However, I personally don't believe it should be death.

In the case of Jane specifically, if she wasn't convicted of a crime, I don't see how anyone could expect her to get a punishment (other than being spit on, I guess).

The guy that spat on her was no doubt outraged by the governments lack of action on this issue so he used as violent of a deed as he could perform without sacrificing years of his life in prison to do so. Given this understanding of how the man feels do you condone what he did?

jcroft · 04-20-2005, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by crossbow

The guy that spat on her was no doubt outraged by the governments lack of action on this issue so he used as violent of a deed as he could perform without sacrificing years of his life in prison to do so. Given this understanding of how the man feels do you condone what he did?

No. I hope this question is a joke, and you don't really think it's okay for any man to take the law into his own hands and serve up whatever punishment he thinks is fair. That's called a lack of control in my mind.

If I'm pissed that OJ was aquitted does that give me a right to knock the dude out if I see him? If I think Natalie Maine should have been reprimaned by the government for her comments, do I get to shoot a blowdart at her from my fourth row seats? If I'm annoyed that the Kansas marriage ammendement passed, does it give me to spit on those who voted for it and call them ignorant homophobes? If I don't think Bush should have been going after Saddamm, does it give me the right to murder him? If I'm pissed that a registered sex offender is living in the house behind me, do I have the right to cut his dick off?

Sorry, but you don't have the right to take the law into your own hands, no matter how much you'd like to. Please don't tell me you agree with vigilante justice by anyone who deems it necessary.

1punkyQB · 04-20-2005, 06:34 PM

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If I'm annoyed that the Kansas marriage ammendement passed, does it give me to spit on those who voted for it and call them ignorant homophobes? If I don't think Bush should have been going after Saddamm, does it give me the right to murder him? If I'm pissed that a registered sex offender is living in the house behind me, do I have the right to cut his dick off?

Not much of a parallel between those situations and a Vietnam vet spitting tobacco juice on a communist sympathizer. It's not murder or castration, and not letting Bob and Earl enjoy marital privileges isn't exactly committing treason.

jcroft · 04-20-2005, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 1punkyQB

Not much of a parallel between those situations and a Vietnam vet spitting tobacco juice on a communist sympathizer. It's not murder or castration, and not letting Bob and Earl enjoy marital privileges isn't exactly committing treason.

First of all, we all know the Kansas marraige ammendment will affect a lot more hetrosexual couples than gay ones. But that's another thread, too.

You picked two of my examples, took them out of context, and totally ignored the point. The point is, it's not okay for someone to take the law into their own hands just because they think the justice system didn't do it's job.

Are ya with me, or not?

**Baby Lee** · 04-20-2005, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jcroft

Are ya with me, or not?

I think the rub is in two different ideas of the term 'condone.'
If you do not absolve the man for spitting, do you at least empathize?

I too, do not absolve, but I have to admit I empathize.

tommykat · 04-20-2005, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod

Exactly. What in the f*** were we thinking, allowing Hanoi Jane anywhere near our city?

I'd like to buy the man a beer and shake his hand.

I refuse to read all of this, thought about it and decided nada..........Dartgod I didn't mean to pick you but after a few of what I read I just stopped and hit your response.

My question/questions.........As a born again Christian ( Jane Fonda ) is forgiven by whom I count is the only one that matters.....Again, Dartgod it is not you that I am pointing out, please understand.

What she did was wrong........hurtful............you name it. It happened. She knows that now, but she stands by what she feels is right at this time. Haven't we all done things and said things we wish we could take back? (Here)?

Give the lady a break.........Finally we as a Nation USA are finally giving our vets what they should have gotten during and after the war. To hold bitterness that many years and not see what finally is coming to them finally is wrong.

You have to have forgiveness to move on, I see from this articale this man has not reached that point. I stand behind all vets!!! I am finally thankful that the vietnam vets are getting what they deserved~

Sorry for the rant........but all people.......the Vietman vets deserve their rights and finally it happened.

But so does Jane Fonda.< Forgivness

jcroft · 04-20-2005, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I think the rub is in two different ideas of the term 'condone.'
If you do not absolve the man for spitting, do you at least empathize?

I too, do not absolve, but I have to admit I empathize.

Yeah, I empathize. I lived in Topeka for 10 years. Every time I saw that **** Fred Phelps on my street corners I had fantasies of running his bigoted ass right over. But, I know better -- it's not my job to punish him for what I think are crimes.

So sure, I empathize. I understand why he wanted to do it. But still, he shouldn't have.

1punkyQB · 04-20-2005, 06:51 PM

I'll respect the social compact or whatever you choose to call it. The parallel between the situations you mentioned is what got my skirt up.

04-20-2005, 03:24 PM
crossbow King of Sarcasm Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: at home Casino cash: $10004900	KC Man spits on Jane Fonda http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor.../fonda_spitter TIM CURRAN, Associated Press Writer KANSAS CITY, Mo. - A man spit tobacco juice into the face of actress Jane Fonda after waiting in line to have her sign her new book, police said. The man ran off but was quickly caught by police Tuesday night and charged with disorderly conduct. Fonda has been on tour and doing interviews to promote her just-published memoir, "My Life So Far." The thrice-married, two-time Academy Award winner covers a wide array of topics, including her 1972 visit to Hanoi to protest the Vietnam War, during which she was photographed on a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun. She has apologized for that photo, but not for opposing the war. Capt. Rich Lockhart of the Kansas City Police Department said that although Fonda did not want to press charges against Michael A. Smith, 54, of Kansas City, he was arrested on a municipal charge of disorderly conduct after off-duty officers caught him just outside Unity Temple, where Fonda was signing books. Lockhart said Smith was released on bond late Tuesday night and is due to appear in municipal court on May 27. Smith, a Vietnam veteran, told The Kansas City Star on Wednesday that Fonda was a "traitor" and that her protests against the war were unforgivable. He said he normally does not chew tobacco but did so Tuesday solely to spit juice on the actress. "I consider it a debt of honor," he told The Star for a story on its Web site, www.kansascity.com. "She spit in our faces for 37 years. It was absolutely worth it. There are a lot of veterans who would love to do what I did."
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