Clayton says Law is still in play

[ZootedGranny]

Courtesy a headsup from GA_Chief_KU and the Chiefscoalition board.

John Clayton was on ESPN Radio's the huddle, and said the following:

There are 4 teams still interested: Jacksonville, Kansas City, Miami and Tampa Bay.

Of the 4, Jacksonville has the most cap room, with around 5.7 mil. The next closest is Kansas City with around 3.5, and Miami and Tampa are trying to grab him for the league minimum.

When the Chiefs signed Ashley Ambrose, they told him they are still persuing Law.

Sean Salisbury also said that Law is looking great, and is cutting, but thinks that the foot is still a "tad bit ginger" and is 2 to 3 weeks away from a being ready for a full workout.

Audio of the conversation:

http://home.kc.rr.com/mkbaslee/clayton_huddle.mp3

or

s50.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0VKFQTFXUECYE0LCDI37G6ABD7

[RNR]

Originally Posted by Chiefaholic

That money was provided to Lamar by the fans that spend $80 to plant their asses in their seats, pay $20 to park their damn car, and $6 for a friggin' beer. The fans have made the man a hell of a lot money over the last several years to watch a mediocre football team. I'm 33 years old and NEVER watched the Chiefs win a Superbowl. It's about damn time Lamar gives a little back to the fans that's made his ass rich while sporting a "competitive team".

FWIW Hunt was born rich. When he bought the Texans of the AFL a reporter ask his dad what he thought about his son buying a football team that could lose a million dollars a year his dad replied "if he loses a million a year for a 144 years in a row he will be broke"

That said I have always wondered why Chief fans get pissed at Peterson or Steadman before that but always give Hunt a pass. I don't blame you for having a case of the ass. Hunt has always stopped just short of what the team needed to win it all.

I will say this, even as a rival I will admit this season it looks as if Hunt is trying to put a championship level team on the field. I hope this team breaks your heart, but he has opened the billfold this offseason and brought in alot of talent.

[Chiefaholic]

Originally Posted by mikey23545

Lamar never held a gun to your head to make you spend a dime, you reerun. When someone thinking that because they spent a dollar at Walmart it makes them a member of the board of directors, they need some serious mental help.

If you don't like the fortune he's already spent this offseason, become a ****ing hockey fan.

First.....Go **** yourself!!!

Second, I'm just as big of a hockey fan as I am a Chief fan. If you don't think Lamar is obligated to spend some of the cash the fans made him, then perhaps you should be looking in the mirror when you refer to somebody as a reerun. He owes it to the fans of KC that filled his stadium for years and years of mediocracy. On top of that, if he'de give the team a Superbowl defense to go along with the Superbowl offense, then perhaps he'de have an easier time getting the money he's begging from the taxpayers to refurbish his stadium.

[redbrian]

I can see one scenario where Law may consider playing for the Chiefs at a reduced price.
What better way to showcase ones talents than on a contending team.
If Law truly believes that he one of the top talents, he signs with the Chiefs for a one year deal, proves himself on the field to be in top form and then goes for the big contract the following year.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by mikey23545

If you don't like the fortune he's already spent this offseason, become a ****ing hockey fan.

I think most here are thrilled with the upgrades. There is also a very high profile CB sitting out there available for some team. Some posters here, including myself, would like to see him here. I want nothing left to chance in this potential SB season. There are some high quality teams in the AFC. Several of those have high octane passing games. I could care less about his health the first four games. It's the last four that really count.

And another note I heard on teh radio yesterday that I found a bit interesting. They were saying Manning had like 30 of his TD throws last season against teams with sub-par CB's. They said going against the teams in the playoffs that have top notch CB's has been a lot tougher for Manning, sans the no SB appearance for the Colts.

[KChiefs1]

"Ty Law's saying he wants a deal in the $40 million range, claiming he turned his back on one offer that he felt would "only" guarantee him $10 million before that new team was likely to cut him. I don't think $10 million is a bad deal for a guy who's career is clearly in question and who is only reportedly at 85% speed with less than a month until training camp. But what do I know? It will be interesting to see how high the bidding goes from the 4-5 teams that appear to be interested in his services at this late date. So far, most appear interested in a high-dollar one-year deal or a more modest long-term proposal than Law desires."

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Coogs

I think most here are thrilled with the upgrades. There is also a very high profile CB sitting out there available for some team. Some posters here, including myself, would like to see him here. I want nothing left to chance in this potential SB season. There are some high quality teams in the AFC. Several of those have high octane passing games. I could care less about his health the first four games. It's the last four that really count.

And another note I heard on teh radio yesterday that I found a bit interesting. They were saying Manning had like 30 of his TD throws last season against teams with sub-par CB's. They said going against the teams in the playoffs that have top notch CB's has been a lot tougher for Manning, sans the no SB appearance for the Colts.

Who ever it was that said this about Manning has no freakin' clue what the hell they are talking about.

The Patriots secondary was made up of rookies and scrubs when the Colts lost to them.

Manning struggles mightily against teams that play a physical D.

Even though the Pats secondary wasn't the most talented, they did what they needed to, i.e., hitting the receivers at the line, disrupting their routes, while the front 7 put consistent pressure on Manning.

If the timing in their offense is disrupted, and Manning starts to take a couple hits, he gets rattled and starts just making bad throws and bad decisions, which is why I refer to him as a pussy, and call his MVP award the Most Vaginal Player.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by SideWinder

Who ever it was that said this about Manning has no freakin' clue what the hell they are talking about.

The Patriots secondary was made up of rookies and scrubs when the Colts lost to them.

Manning struggles mightily against teams that play a physical D.

Even though the Pats secondary wasn't the most talented, they did what they needed to, i.e., hitting the receivers at the line, disrupting their routes, while the front 7 put consistent pressure on Manning.

If the timing in their offense is disrupted, and Manning starts to take a couple hits, he gets rattled and starts just making bad throws and bad decisions, which is why I refer to him as a pussy, and call his MVP award the Most Vaginal Player.

I've decided I need to expand on this a bit.

All QBs make mistakes when they get pressured.

However, using Green to illustrate the difference, or at least my perception of the difference, what Manning does is he gets gets rid of the early, so as not to take the hits.

Green, on the other hand, will hold on to the ball as long as he can, slide around in the pocket, and make his throw at the very last minute in an attempt to make a play.

[Simplex3]

Originally Posted by SideWinder

Who ever it was that said this about Manning has no freakin' clue what the hell they are talking about.

The Patriots secondary was made up of rookies and scrubs when the Colts lost to them.

Manning struggles mightily against teams that play a physical D.

Even though the Pats secondary wasn't the most talented, they did what they needed to, i.e., hitting the receivers at the line, disrupting their routes, while the front 7 put consistent pressure on Manning.

If the timing in their offense is disrupted, and Manning starts to take a couple hits, he gets rattled and starts just making bad throws and bad decisions, which is why I refer to him as a pussy, and call his MVP award the Most Vaginal Player.

Let's stand you in a field and let some 280lb guy running a 4.5 40 blindside you. I'll bet you start getting rid of it sooner, too.

Of course you discount entirely that Manning may be getting rid of it sooner because he knows the rush is going to get there sooner and he doesn't want to take the loss of yardage that comes with the sack. I've seen him wait until the last second plenty of times and still take the pop. Of course if you're Tony Dungy you would rather he throw it into the stands than take that injury. You need Manning on the field. Period.

As for Trent (remember the TrINT days?) holding it forever, let's recall the times that "holding it forever" got him sacked and pushed the Chiefs out of field goal range, into 3rd and long, etc.

As for the Pats beating the Colts, the Pats do that just like you say. They hit the receivers all over the field, including past 5 yards. The Pats are masterful at understanding the flags come out less in the post season and, to their credit, they play that for all it's worth. That's why a punch-you-in-the-face team beats a dancing-fineses team nearly every time in the playoffs.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by redbrian

I can see one scenario where Law may consider playing for the Chiefs at a reduced price.
What better way to showcase ones talents than on a contending team.
If Law truly believes that he one of the top talents, he signs with the Chiefs for a one year deal, proves himself on the field to be in top form and then goes for the big contract the following year.

If Law wants to showcase his talents on a contending team, He'd probably look to Jacksonville before KC.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Simplex3

Let's stand you in a field and let some 280lb guy running a 4.5 40 blindside you. I'll bet you start getting rid of it sooner, too.

Of course you discount entirely that Manning may be getting rid of it sooner because he knows the rush is going to get there sooner and he doesn't want to take the loss of yardage that comes with the sack. I've seen him wait until the last second plenty of times and still take the pop. Of course if you're Tony Dungy you would rather he throw it into the stands than take that injury. You need Manning on the field. Period.

As for Trent (remember the TrINT days?) holding it forever, let's recall the times that "holding it forever" got him sacked and pushed the Chiefs out of field goal range, into 3rd and long, etc.

As for the Pats beating the Colts, the Pats do that just like you say. They hit the receivers all over the field, including past 5 yards. The Pats are masterful at understanding the flags come out less in the post season and, to their credit, they play that for all it's worth. That's why a punch-you-in-the-face team beats a dancing-fineses team nearly every time in the playoffs.

I've seen him take some hits also, but as the game progresses, he becomes more and more gunshy.

And yes, Trent takes some bad sacks, but at least he remains tall in the pocket throughout the entire game.

It is, as I stated, about perception.
And my perception is that Manning doesn't have the courage in the pocket that Trent does.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Simplex3

Let's stand you in a field and let some 280lb guy running a 4.5 40 blindside you. I'll bet you start getting rid of it sooner, too.

Getting hit by bigger stronger guys is nothing new to me.

When I was a kid, I didn't grow over 5' until I was in my soph year in high school, and then I only weighed a hundred pounds.

I was a hothead (more closely related to stupidity than courage, I admit), but I got my ass kicked by all the big boys because of my temper and lack of fear.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by SideWinder

Who ever it was that said this about Manning has no freakin' clue what the hell they are talking about.

The Patriots secondary was made up of rookies and scrubs when the Colts lost to them.

Manning struggles mightily against teams that play a physical D.

Even though the Pats secondary wasn't the most talented, they did what they needed to, i.e., hitting the receivers at the line, disrupting their routes, while the front 7 put consistent pressure on Manning.

If the timing in their offense is disrupted, and Manning starts to take a couple hits, he gets rattled and starts just making bad throws and bad decisions, which is why I refer to him as a pussy, and call his MVP award the Most Vaginal Player.

your forgetting a few things here?

BAD WEATHER, and MISFORTUNE

Think about it?

Manning has never won a game in Foxboro. Foxboro for Manning is like what Arrowhead was for Elway. Both parks we're like doom dungeons for those QB's.

And, bad weather(snow) makes a big difference. Play'n in those kinda conditions is a huge disadvantage to a passing game. Don't get me wrong, the Pats I'm sure knew how to play him, but, everything else they needed like fortune all went their way as well.

[Chiefaholic]

Originally Posted by jspchief

If Law wants to showcase his talents on a contending team, He'd probably look to Jacksonville before KC.

WOW!!!! You'de think a player the caliber of Law would drool at the thought of playing defense opposite Surtain. Imagine the numbwer of balls that'll come his way in comparison to previous seasons. The two of them could practically shut down the passing game. Thus, allowing D. Johnson and Bell to make the QB's head ring. On top of that, our offense is loaded with talent to make up for an occasional mistake or two.

If the Chiefs sign Law, I'de have to say the Chiefs are a favorite to win it all this season.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by RedBull

your forgetting a few things here?

BAD WEATHER, and MISFORTUNE

Think about it?

Manning has never won a game in Foxboro. Foxboro for Manning is like what Arrowhead was for Elway. Both parks we're like doom dungeons for those QB's.

And, bad weather(snow) makes a big difference. Play'n in those kinda conditions is a huge disadvantage to a passing game. Don't get me wrong, the Pats I'm sure knew how to play him, but, everything else they needed like fortune all went their way as well.

Look at the game that the Chiefs played against the Colts last season.

We played aggressive, in your face defense, applying pressure on Manning and the receivers.
Disrupted their timing, and watched as Manning began to wilt under the constant pressure.

All of that in the first half.

In the second half, Gun started to back off, utilizing more of a prevent mode, which, of course gave Manning the chance to nearly lead the Colts back to victory.

The point is, in the first half, when the Chiefs were playing aggressive, physical D, Manning's effectiveness was neutralized to some extent, much the same as it is when he plays the Pats.

And the weather wasn't a factor.

And he usually struggles against Jax for exactly the same reasons.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by Chiefaholic

WOW!!!! You'de think a player the caliber of Law would drool at the thought of playing defense opposite Surtain. Imagine the numbwer of balls that'll come his way in comparison to previous seasons. The two of them could practically shut down the passing game. Thus, allowing D. Johnson and Bell to make the QB's head ring. On top of that, our offense is loaded with talent to make up for an occasional mistake or two.

If the Chiefs sign Law, I'de have to say the Chiefs are a favorite to win it all this season.

Maybe he would like the chance to play opposite Surtain. But maybe he'd be concerned about the rest of the defense.

Looking at it from an objective viewpoint, I'd say Jax might be more likely to be the "contender" from his point of view. For a number of reasons.

1. They were better than us last year, and have done nothing to get worse. There's no reason to think they can't repeat what they did last year.

2. They have a better defense. KC has added a lot of pieces, but we still don't know what the puzzle will look like. Meanwhile, Jax had a very good, aggressive D, and their only weak spot was CB.

3. They play in a weaker conference. The only real competition is Indy, and they can beat Indy.

I think KC has a very good chance at being a very good team, but we need the defense to come together. Jacksonville is already a very good team, where Law could be the final tweak that makes them a great team. I just think if "I want to play for a winner" is really a factor, Jacksonville looks more like a winner than KC at this point.

But honestly, I don't think that has anything to do with it. I think it's all about the money. I also think we won't get him because of that. Personally, I won't be happy if we spend a lot of money on him unless it's a one year deal.