Are you drug tested at work?

[Skip Towne]

Which drugs do they test for? How often?

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

That doesn't surprise me either. Anyone intoxicated on the job when operation machinery should pay a stiff penalty. Were not all that far apart on this. I guess what cracks me up are people who are bagging groceries and and the like getting tested. I was actually surprised how many people I know get tested. When I ran health clubs you always knew who they wanted to fire by who got tested. It was used for an entirely different purpose.

That I agree with. There are some professions that don't really need testing so long as they don't appear to be under the influence while at work. But there are professions that need mandatory drug testing, such as operators of heavy machinery. And if they don't like the random drug tests, they can find a job that doesn't require them.

[Skip Towne]

Before I started my company I worked for a company who had 6 techs. Testing was never mentioned during hiring. One day they announced we were to be tested. Then they had 2 techs. They never did that again.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by Skip Towne

Before I started my company I worked for a company who had 6 techs. Testing was never mentioned during hiring. One day they announced we were to be tested. Then they had 2 techs. They never did that again.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by Lzen

That I agree with. There are some professions that don't really need testing so long as they don't appear to be under the influence while at work. But there are professions that need mandatory drug testing, such as operators of heavy machinery. And if they don't like the random drug tests, they can find a job that doesn't require them.

Just because the job doesn't involve operating heavy machinery, that doesn't mean that I don't want to know whether my employees (or prospective employees) are druggies. IMO, it says something about the type of person. It tells me that this person is willing to break laws/rules in the name of having fun.

It's no different than the latest method companies are using to screen employees...credit checks. It gives you insight into what type of person you're dealing with.

From an employers viewpoint, I want the best of the best working for my company. If you have bad credit, or are a drug user, you aren't in that group IMO.

[Clint in Wichita]

Originally Posted by jspchief

Just because the job doesn't involve operating heavy machinery, that doesn't mean that I don't want to know whether my employees (or prospective employees) are druggies. IMO, it says something about the type of person. It tells me that this person is willing to break laws/rules in the name of having fun.

It's no different than the latest method companies are using to screen employees...credit checks. It gives you insight into what type of person you're dealing with.

From an employers viewpoint, I want the best of the best working for my company. If you have bad credit, or are a drug user, you aren't in that group IMO.

I can understand not wanting drug users on your payroll, but people with bad credit?! I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I think a VERY large percent of Americans have less-than-desirable credit, thanks in large part to credit card companies, and SHITTY, LOW-PAYING EMPLOYERS.

A credit score is an awful way to screen out potential employees.

A much more effective way to weed out the scum would be a grammar test. If the sumbitch cain't pass no grammar test, he ain't got no place in no perfeshnal environment...good credit score or not.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by jspchief

Just because the job doesn't involve operating heavy machinery, that doesn't mean that I don't want to know whether my employees (or prospective employees) are druggies. IMO, it says something about the type of person. It tells me that this person is willing to break laws/rules in the name of having fun.

It's no different than the latest method companies are using to screen employees...credit checks. It gives you insight into what type of person you're dealing with.

From an employers viewpoint, I want the best of the best working for my company. If you have bad credit, or are a drug user, you aren't in that group IMO.

Heh, I think that's a pipedream. Some of the best, most trustworthy, loyal people I know have been known to smoke. So, that's just nonsense. But hey, if it's your company and you don't want to hire them, that's your choice. Some of the worst, most corrupt people may never have smoked or had bad credit in their lives.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by Clint in Wichita

I can understand not wanting drug users on your payroll, but people with bad credit?! I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I think a VERY large percent of Americans have less-than-desirable credit, thanks in large part to credit card companies, and SHITTY, LOW-PAYING EMPLOYERS.

A credit score is an awful way to screen out potential employees.

A much more effective way to weed out the scum would be a grammar test. If the sumbitch cain't pass no grammar test, he ain't got no place in no perfeshnal environment...good credit score or not.

I don't think companies will be able to be too stringent in regards to the credit thing. Like you said, too many people have bad credit. I just know that it's the latest part of the screening process.

And your notion that people have bad credit due to low paying employers is so fucking ridiculous it doesn't deserve a response.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by jspchief

Just because the job doesn't involve operating heavy machinery, that doesn't mean that I don't want to know whether my employees (or prospective employees) are druggies. IMO, it says something about the type of person. It tells me that this person is willing to break laws/rules in the name of having fun.

It's no different than the latest method companies are using to screen employees...credit checks. It gives you insight into what type of person you're dealing with.

From an employers viewpoint, I want the best of the best working for my company. If you have bad credit, or are a drug user, you aren't in that group IMO.

First of all your not going to get the best of the best because they already have their own companies. Secondly I disagree that your getting the next tier either, especially with sales people. If were talking about regular labor type jobs it just doesn't matter. It's too easy to hire and fire those types I'll just evaluate their performance.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by jspchief

I don't think companies will be able to be too stringent in regards to the credit thing. Like you said, too many people have bad credit. I just know that it's the latest part of the screening process.

And your notion that people have bad credit due to low paying employers is so fucking ridiculous it doesn't deserve a response.

What kind of work are you talking about?

[Clint in Wichita]

Originally Posted by jspchief

I don't think companies will be able to be too stringent in regards to the credit thing. Like you said, too many people have bad credit. I just know that it's the latest part of the screening process.

And your notion that people have bad credit due to low paying employers is so fucking ridiculous it doesn't deserve a response.

In other words, you have no response?

Ultimately, people are responsible for their own credit, but for example, if the shit hits the fan and you are laid off from a longtime job, what are you going to do if you earn half as much as you used to? Give head?

No. Some bills will be late or unpaid entirely. It doesn't take much of that to ruin your credit, either.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by Lzen

Heh, I think that's a pipedream. Some of the best, most trustworthy, loyal people I know have been known to smoke. So, that's just nonsense. But hey, if it's your company and you don't want to hire them, that's your choice. Some of the worst, most corrupt people may never have smoked or had bad credit in their lives.

Obviously there are perfectly responsible people who do drugs (ignoring the law breaking part of it), and there are some real scumbags that are drug free. But I think the odds are more in your favor when you weed out the drug users. At the very least, it shows they have a proclivity to break the law, or to choose to only obey those rules that they agree with.

[Lzen]

I probably should've clarified that I was talking about mainly recreational MJ users. Now meth heads are usually losers and anything else I won't comment on.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by Clint in Wichita

In other words, you have no response?

Ultimately, people are responsible for their own credit, but for example, if the shit hits the fan and you are laid off from a longtime job, what are you going to do if you earn half as much as you used to? Give head?

No. Some bills will be late or unpaid entirely. It doesn't take much of that to ruin your credit, either.

Ok, here's your response, since you seem to think it's someone else's fault when you get in over your head in debt:

Employers don't force you to take out lines of credit. If you get laid off, you should have savings to cover your ass. If you've taken out more credit than you can survive in the event of an emergency, then you've taken out too much credit. It's not low paying employers that are responsible for bad credit, it's people that use credit to live beyond their means.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by jspchief

Obviously there are perfectly responsible people who do drugs (ignoring the law breaking part of it), and there are some real scumbags that are drug free. But I think the odds are more in your favor when you weed out the drug users. At the very least, it shows they have a proclivity to break the law, or to choose to only obey those rules that they agree with.

Out of curiosity, when the posted speed limit is 55 (or insert any speed here), do you drive that speed or under? Now don't lie. Tell me the honest truth.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by jspchief

Ok, here's your response, since you seem to think it's someone else's fault when you get in over your head in debt:

Employers don't force you to take out lines of credit. If you get laid off, you should have savings to cover your ass. If you've taken out more credit than you can survive in the event of an emergency, then you've taken out too much credit. It's not low paying employers that are responsible for bad credit, it's people that use credit to live beyond their means.

Sometimes all it takes is a divorce to eff your credit completely. But maybe divorce is another of those warning signs.