Chiefs Without Gun this is a 4-12 Team - Page 9

KCJohnny · 01-06-2007, 11:58 PM

Herm came in and achieved "balance". That's what you could say after having a D suck so bad the past 5 years that getting under 300 points (we didn't) would have been a monumental achievement. But in the name of "balance" we took the league's best offense and demoted it to a predictable, 1-dimensional cliche that dropped SIXTEEN places in ranking and performed worse than almost any offense in NFL playoff history (126 yards of total offense).

I think without Gun trying to make shinola out of $#!+ with Herm's insistance on Cover 2, this team is horrible. The Colts game shows that the testicles are on D, and that is NOT because Herm "changed the focus". If DV was here, we'd be 14-2 and laughing at the Colts because he kept Gun. That said, this team had better realize that flushing DV's O leaves not much in its place. Thank God for Gun, because without him and these over-acheivers, this team is a waste of talent. Hopefully Gun stays and keeps this team at least semi-competitive.

kcxiv · 01-08-2007, 10:59 AM

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He's never had a good defense that didn't consist of Derrick Thomas, Neil Smith, Dale Carter, or James Hasty. I agree that it takes good players but I also think it takes a good defensive coordinator and I don't think Gunther is a good one. I think this is Herman Edwards' defense, not Gunther's. I think Gunther's job is to implement Herm's defense.

Hali is the only regular other than Law (mediocre season) and the journeymen DTs (Reed & Edwards) that is new to this defense. Page has great potential but as far as this season goes his contributions have been sometimes spectacular but overall modest. The players that Gunther brought in have either been busts or are already gone (Siavvi, Bell, etc.)

I think the best thing that could happen to this team is a new offensive coordinator. If Herm were not a defensive-minded coach we'd need a new defensive coordinator, too. I know that both Peterson and Edwards are loyal to Gunther and I don't think Cunningham has the menatality to resign if he thought he wasn't up to the task. So I think we're stuck with him. He's fiery and he might make a good linebackers coach but I don't think he's a good defensive coordinator.

The difference between this year's defense and last year's defense is Herman Edwards, the 2006 draft, a couple of journeyman DTs, and the new scheme, all of which are Edward's doing. Blitz happy Gunther only knows how to telegraph blitzes. When that doesn't work then he's lost, IMO.

First, off, Peterson is NOT loyal to Guntharr, if he was he wouldnt have fired hiim over the internet. SO we can lay that to rest.

2ndly, the D showed flashes of bieng good last year. they were inconsistant as hell, but they were making progress.

About Gun only knowing blitz's how did he contain Manning? The announcers during saturdays game said they talked to Gun before the game, and he told them he would not blitz much becuase Manning will burn you. WHile Herm may have a little bit to do with what he wants ran. I am prettty sure it was Guntharr's gameplan. I could be wrong, but you could be too, we really dont know as we dont know Herm ro Gun personally.

THen you talk about some of the busts Gun brought in. What about some of the people that he did pick up? Allen, DJ, and Surtain.

Hell Patriots tried to get ****ing Warfield on their team. Everyone makes a mistake.

I could care less of Gun stays or goes.I want the Chiefs to do what they gotta do to win, but most people here just have so much hate towards something they wont even look at both sides of it.

Extra Point · 01-08-2007, 11:01 AM

We were a 4-12 team that finished 9-7. Two weeks from now, it's business as usual. Next slogan:

The Kansas City Chiefs: Lowering fan expectations for over thirty years, and performing beyond them!

Chiefnj · 01-08-2007, 11:02 AM

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Please, provide us with the name of a DC that can use the Chiefs 2005 roster and dominate opponents.

Don't blame the roster. That was Gunther's roster. Gun asked for those players. They were handpicked by him. If he couldn't get them to play well, it's his fault.

htismaqe · 01-08-2007, 11:07 AM

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Please, provide us with the name of a DC that can use the Chiefs 2005 roster and dominate opponents.

Rob Ryan.

He took a defense with arguably LESS talent and he not only produced, he did so in spite of an offense that played like we did on Saturday for an ENTIRE SEASON.

Mr. Laz · 01-08-2007, 11:12 AM

wow ... i don't think i was around when KcJohnny was in full force last time.

dude is passionate ... gotta give him that.

KCJohnny · 01-08-2007, 11:17 AM

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Rob Ryan.

He took a defense with arguably LESS talent and he not only produced, he did so in spite of an offense that played like we did on Saturday for an ENTIRE SEASON.

Fair enough. Still, I'll take Gun over Ryan head-to-head. Good point, though.

htismaqe · 01-08-2007, 11:23 AM

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Fair enough. Still, I'll take Gun over Ryan head-to-head. Good point, though.

So I have a good point, but you'd still take Gun? At least you're willing to admit your bias.

KCJohnny · 01-08-2007, 11:24 AM

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So I have a good point, but you'd still take Gun? At least you're willing to admit your bias.

Every word I post on here is unmitigated bias embellished with self-aggrandizing bombast. I thought that was the point.

Mile High Mania · 01-08-2007, 11:26 AM

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wow ... i don't think i was around when KcJohnny was in full force last time.

dude is passionate ... gotta give him that.

Well, Gunther signed something for him and mailed it to him... that cemented KCJ's devotion to the dude.

penchief · 01-08-2007, 12:03 PM

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