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Old 04-29-2007, 11:15 PM  
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The more I learn about it, the more I love it. I never knew how complex it was. This is the first year that I've gotten into the draft, and it's made it that much more exciting. I so can't wait for the season to start!

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Old 05-02-2007, 12:37 AM   #121
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They get paid by the week during the season I believe. It is not always evened out. A player might get a few hundred thousand one year and a few million the next year.

A player will get cut because he is making too much money one season compared to the year before - unless he is worth that money. Kendrell Bell was asked to restructure his contract this year or the year before because he's basically a waste of skin.

He was also denied a $10 million roster bonus (money awarded for being on the roster at a certain date), because he sucked ass basically. That's just one of many incentives that might be built into a contract. The Chiefs may have put incentives in Trent Green's contract like "throw X number of touchdown passes and get paid this much."
I don't get how you can make more one year compared to another. Not counting bonuses and such. Or are the bonuses what make the figure different each year. And, if that's the case, then how can you make more one year from the next if you're doing less?
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Old 05-02-2007, 12:38 AM   #122
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Basic example, a team signs someone to a 5 year deal worth 30 million. In year one they make 2 million, year two 3 million, year three 5 million, year four 8 million, and year five 12 million. Teams backload the contract to make it seem that the players are making more.
Ah. Making more sense.
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Old 05-02-2007, 12:40 AM   #123
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how can you make more one year from the next if you're doing less?
Because the team that signed you was stupid. That's why Willie Roaf and Priest Holmes are being paid several MILLIONS of dollars this year for sitting on their ass.
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Old 05-02-2007, 12:44 AM   #124
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SO, if these guys are not producing, why are they still on the payroll? Why not cut them? Do we eat that money if we do?
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Old 05-02-2007, 12:48 AM   #125
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SO, if these guys are not producing, why are they still on the payroll? Why not cut them? Do we eat that money if we do?
Bingo. Their signing bonus for the remaining years on their contract would accelerate, and they would could for several millions of dollars against the salary cap all at once. So we can't cut them.

That is where the Chiefs are with Holmes. They can pay out his bonus for a few more years, or cut him and pay it all at once. If he retires, he doesn't get that money, so he's not going to retire.
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Old 05-02-2007, 12:50 AM   #126
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Bingo. Their signing bonus for the remaining years on their contract would accelerate, and they would could for several millions of dollars against the salary cap all at once. So we can't cut them.

That is where the Chiefs are with Holmes. They can pay out his bonus for a few more years, or cut him and pay it all at once. If he retires, he doesn't get that money, so he's not going to retire.
So we're paying him a bonus PLUS his salary? If we cut him, we pay just his bonus. Hurts us now, but wouldn't it help later? How much longer before his contract is up?
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Old 05-02-2007, 12:56 AM   #127
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So we're paying him a bonus PLUS his salary?
I'm not sure.


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If we cut him, we pay just his bonus. Hurts us now, but wouldn't it help later? ?
Probably, but it would probably count against the cap too much this year. The Chiefs just have to take it. They are in a pretty good cap situation right now as it is, so they're not too bad.

I think his contract is up in 2-3 seasons.
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Old 05-02-2007, 12:59 AM   #128
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Probably, but it would probably count against the cap too much this year. The Chiefs just have to take it. They are in a pretty good cap situation right now as it is, so they're not too bad.

I think his contract is up in 2-3 seasons.
So what's the deal with Roaf then? I thought he retired.
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Old 05-02-2007, 01:02 AM   #129
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So what's the deal with Roaf then? I thought he retired.
Oh. I have no idea. The cap and the CBA (collective bargaining agreement) is way too complicated for the average fan to understand at it's most intimate of levels. I don't think I even want to know, anyway. Leave that crap to the GMs and agents. I prefer talking about football, not contracts.
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Old 05-02-2007, 01:04 AM   #130
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Oh. I have no idea. The cap and the CBA (collective bargaining agreement) is way too complicated for the average fan to understand at it's most intimate of levels. I don't think I even want to know, anyway. Leave that crap to the GMs and agents. I prefer talking about football, not contracts.
Fine with me. Trying to figure that out was starting to give me a headache.
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Old 05-02-2007, 06:46 AM   #131
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Hey! Look! This thread seems to be helping more than just me. That makes me feel good.
I think this is probably the single most helpful thread, I've ever seen on this board...I think more people needing football 101 should read.

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Thanks, luv for getting this going!
I wholeheartedly agree. Awesome thread.
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So we're paying him a bonus PLUS his salary? If we cut him, we pay just his bonus. Hurts us now, but wouldn't it help later? How much longer before his contract is up?
As I understand it when PH restructured he dropped his yearly pay low.
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Holmes' contract expires after the 2009 season. He restructured the pact in March 2006 to give the club salary cap relief, lowering his base salary from $3.75 million to $710,000. He's scheduled to earn $870,000 in 2007.
I'm guessing that means his 2008 or 2009 yearly salary will jump up, basically the money his old contract said he would get in 2006 & 2007 got pushed back a year or two. I figure the Chiefs think they'll have the issue worked out somehow by the time his salary jumps back up. This allows us to keep counting a pro-rated part of his bonus without giving him stupid money as salary.
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