Chiefs Possible Chiefs\Saints trade - Page 9

C-Mac · 04-25-2008, 09:22 AM

McShay's blog...

DE Chris Long will be the Chiefs' pick if he's available, but should he be off the board Kansas City will want to retreat. swapping first-round picks with New Orleans and bringing [Jamaal]Brown into the fold would be an attractive scenario, as the Chiefs could then opt for another offensive lineman at No. 10 or get a much better value on their preferred defensive end, Derrick Harvey. And don't forget that extra picks beyond the swap of first-rounders would likely be included as well, so this would be a hard deal for Kansas City to turn down.

patteeu · 04-25-2008, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

I'd do this trade if it comes down--but only if Dorsey, Long, Ellis, and Gholston are all gone.

The whole premise of the trade is that New Orleans wants Dorsey or Ellis.

patteeu · 04-25-2008, 03:29 PM

I've read something that suggests that Brown limps around like his leg is about to fall off so there's still an injury concern here too. Of course, it didn't hold Willie Roaf back, but I sure don't want the Chiefs leaping into this kind of deal without getting a chance to have their doctors examine Brown first. Someone said something about a trade being contingent on Brown passing a physical, but you can't unwind the draft so if there's a contingency it would have to involve something other than returning the #5 pick to the Chiefs.

bowener · 04-25-2008, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

I've read something that suggests that Brown limps around like his leg is about to fall off so there's still an injury concern here too. Of course, it didn't hold Willie Roaf back, but I sure don't want the Chiefs leaping into this kind of deal without getting a chance to have their doctors examine Brown first. Someone said something about a trade being contingent on Brown passing a physical, but you can't unwind the draft so if there's a contingency it would have to involve something other than returning the #5 pick to the Chiefs.

If this trade has truth i would imagine the chiefs have a dr there right now.

sedated · 04-25-2008, 03:49 PM

wonder if we can trade with NO to get #10, then trade up to get NE #7 and take Ryan.

NO wants up, NE wants down, we want to get the QB before Baltimore.

patteeu · 04-25-2008, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bowener

If this trade has truth i would imagine the chiefs have a dr there right now.

I'd hope so.

Marco Polo · 04-25-2008, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated

wonder if we can trade with NO to get #10, then trade up to get NE #7 and take Ryan.

NO wants up, NE wants down, we want to get the QB before Baltimore.

How about we trade down with NO and get #10 and the LTOTF (Left Tackle Of The Future). Then we trade with NE giving them #10 and a third round pick and draft either Ellis or Gholston, whichever is left?

Imagine being able to have a LTOTF and Gholston/Ellis, all for giving up around a 3rd round pick (or whatever the draft chart says)

ZootedGranny · 04-25-2008, 04:08 PM

My friend, who is a Saints fan, didn't like this rumored trade when it was for Dorsey, citing Brown's value. Now that it's for Ellis, I'm sure he's going nuts.

DT58HOF · 04-25-2008, 05:06 PM

Thursday, April 24

Saints upping the ante

According to a league source, the New Orleans Saints are getting more serious in their efforts to move from No. 10 overall into the top portion of the first round in order to select DT Sedrick Ellis and are dangling former Pro Bowl OT Jammal Brown in front of a team with a higher pick.

Deductive reasoning tells us that team is likely the Kansas City Chiefs, who have the fifth overall pick. The St. Louis Rams should take DT Glenn Dorsey at No. 2, and the Atlanta Falcons (No. 3) and the Oakland Raiders (No. 4) do not have much interest in Ellis. The New York Jets won't want to trade back from sixth overall because of the chance they could get RB Darren McFadden at No. 6, and the New England Patriots are rumored to be leaning toward Ellis at No. 7 because of the value that pick would offer. All of which means Kansas City is in a perfect spot. DE Chris Long will be the Chiefs' pick if he's available, but should he be off the board, Kansas City will want to retreat. Swapping first-round picks with New Orleans and bringing Brown into the fold would be an attractive scenario, as the Chiefs then could opt for another offensive lineman at No. 10 or get a much better value on their preferred defensive end, Derrick Harvey. And don't forget that extra picks beyond the swap of first-rounders likely would be included as well, so this would be a hard deal for Kansas City to turn down.

patteeu · 04-25-2008, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DT58HOF

Thursday, April 24

Saints upping the ante

According to a league source, the New Orleans Saints are getting more serious in their efforts to move from No. 10 overall into the top portion of the first round in order to select DT Sedrick Ellis and are dangling former Pro Bowl OT Jammal Brown in front of a team with a higher pick.

Deductive reasoning tells us that team is likely the Kansas City Chiefs, who have the fifth overall pick. The St. Louis Rams should take DT Glenn Dorsey at No. 2, and the Atlanta Falcons (No. 3) and the Oakland Raiders (No. 4) do not have much interest in Ellis. The New York Jets won't want to trade back from sixth overall because of the chance they could get RB Darren McFadden at No. 6, and the New England Patriots are rumored to be leaning toward Ellis at No. 7 because of the value that pick would offer. All of which means Kansas City is in a perfect spot. DE Chris Long will be the Chiefs' pick if he's available, but should he be off the board, Kansas City will want to retreat. Swapping first-round picks with New Orleans and bringing Brown into the fold would be an attractive scenario, as the Chiefs then could opt for another offensive lineman at No. 10 or get a much better value on their preferred defensive end, Derrick Harvey. And don't forget that extra picks beyond the swap of first-rounders likely would be included as well, so this would be a hard deal for Kansas City to turn down.

After thinking about this a little bit, it could just as easily be Atlanta that NO is looking at in this scenario. By most accounts, Atlanta would be willing to trade down (although maybe not all the way to #10) if Glenn Dorsey goes to St. Louis. Atlanta could use a LT too.

**The Franchise** · 04-25-2008, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

After thinking about this a little bit, it could just as easily be Atlanta that NO is looking at in this scenario. By most accounts, Atlanta would be willing to trade down (although maybe not all the way to #10) if Glenn Dorsey goes to St. Louis. Atlanta could use a LT too.

If they trade with us...it'll cost them less.

patteeu · 04-25-2008, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

If they trade with us...it'll cost them less.

Sure. I'm just pointing out that "deductive reasoning" doesn't really point specifically at KC just because Atlanta and Oakland "do not have much interest in Ellis."

Mecca · 04-25-2008, 05:42 PM

If that happens pray to god that Keith Rivers somehow falls because he is substantially better than anyone else that could be taken at 10.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-25-2008, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If that happens pray to god that Keith Rivers somehow falls because he is substantially better than anyone else that could be taken at 10.

My guess is if they do trade back to 10, they are going to grab Harvey.

Mecca · 04-25-2008, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

My guess is if they do trade back to 10, they are going to grab Harvey.

And punch me in the face......

That's just so eh, I don't think Harvey is nearly that good. So yea if they trade I will pray Rivers falls.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-25-2008, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

And punch me in the face......

That's just so eh, I don't think Harvey is nearly that good. So yea if they trade I will pray Rivers falls.

And I'd all but bet they wouldn't take him even if he's there.

Just plan on being pissed.

I guarantee I know their thinking on this:

We already have Edwards and Williams at the WILL. This kid won't start over either of them.

Again, that is what I think THEY think. Not my personal thoughts at all.

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DT58HOF Starter Join Date: Apr 2008 Casino cash: $10004900	they want Ellis Thursday, April 24 Saints upping the ante According to a league source, the New Orleans Saints are getting more serious in their efforts to move from No. 10 overall into the top portion of the first round in order to select DT Sedrick Ellis and are dangling former Pro Bowl OT Jammal Brown in front of a team with a higher pick. Deductive reasoning tells us that team is likely the Kansas City Chiefs, who have the fifth overall pick. The St. Louis Rams should take DT Glenn Dorsey at No. 2, and the Atlanta Falcons (No. 3) and the Oakland Raiders (No. 4) do not have much interest in Ellis. The New York Jets won't want to trade back from sixth overall because of the chance they could get RB Darren McFadden at No. 6, and the New England Patriots are rumored to be leaning toward Ellis at No. 7 because of the value that pick would offer. All of which means Kansas City is in a perfect spot. DE Chris Long will be the Chiefs' pick if he's available, but should he be off the board, Kansas City will want to retreat. Swapping first-round picks with New Orleans and bringing Brown into the fold would be an attractive scenario, as the Chiefs then could opt for another offensive lineman at No. 10 or get a much better value on their preferred defensive end, Derrick Harvey. And don't forget that extra picks beyond the swap of first-rounders likely would be included as well, so this would be a hard deal for Kansas City to turn down.
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