Chiefs Missed this comment from Clark on QBs - Page 9

**the Talking Can** · 01-15-2009, 02:30 PM

just replayed it on 810, from petro interview

Clark talked about the fact that the Patriots drafted a QB almost every year, and went on to say "I'm sure Scott Pioli's teams will draft a QB every year...and we'll hit on one of them and that will be our franchise QB..."

2 obvious points:

1. Clark gets it - we have to have a QB, and we have to draft QBs to find the right one...doesn't mean we'll take one at #3, but it is a clear change from Carl...

2. Thigpen is not our franchise QB

el borracho · 01-15-2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Unleash_the_Phury

Yes, yes, he's a circus. Give him an off-season with competent coaching, draft the best LB/DE you can find, and find a QB project in the later rounds. Brady was a 6th rounder, Drew Brees was the last pick of the 2nd round, you don't NEED to burn a top 3 pick on a QB, especially when you have so many other glaring needs.

I thought Brees was the 1st pick of the 2nd round.

el borracho · 01-15-2009, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Really?

Because of the 27 that have won a SB, only 14 (52%) were 1st round picks. I don't see how that's "greatly increased."

That one round of the draft (the first round) exceeds all the other rounds combined. You don't see that as a statistical advantage?

el borracho · 01-15-2009, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Probably because that 52% is more than all the other rounds combined....then you factor in that 2 guys account for 7 of the non first 1st round bowls.

Oops! I see I'm late to the party.

keg in kc · 01-15-2009, 08:28 PM

I don't have a problem taking a quarterback 3rd, if there's a QB there with that kind of value. But I think going in dead set that you're taking that position because you're desperate and grasping for straws isn't any better than doing that for any other spot on the roster. And I'm not sold on any of the QBs in the '09 class. Yet. I liked Ryan this time last year, but I just don't get the same gut feeling on any of them. But I also didn't watch as much college FB this year thanks to a heavy fall workload, so they could be better than I think.

Either way, I think you don't stop drafting QBs once you have one, either. It's kind of like running back in that you better have the next one ready to go. Although I obviously wouldn't spend repeated 1st round picks on the position if I had one in his prime. But I sure as hell would draft mid- to late-round ones if I thought they could be developed.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-15-2009, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I just disagree with that, if you're top 5 pick OT ends up at guard that's bad..now you got this super expensive guard who was drafted way to high.

I also don't think the whole "well if he sucks he can be moved and be ok here" should ever be weighed when drafting, especially in drafting to 5.

I'm not saying that you consider it when your drafting.

But again, you're GETTING SOMETHING out of that pick, and not stalling your offense in the meantime.

If give the choice, would you rather have a LT that gets moved to guard, albeit overpaid, and produces?

Or would you rather have a QB, that is costing you financially, and on the field? And limiting his offensive teammates as well?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-15-2009, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by el borracho

That one round of the draft (the first round) exceeds all the other rounds combined. You don't see that as a statistical advantage?

Not when you factor that teams aren't expecting much more than a backup out of a later round pick, where they ARE expecting a sure-fire QBOTF with a high pick.

**MahiMike** · 01-15-2009, 09:32 PM

We ain't drafting a QB. Cassel is packing his bags.

Reerun_KC · 01-15-2009, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Or would you rather have a QB, that is costing you financially, and on the field? And limiting his offensive teammates as well?

We have had those types of QB for the better part of the last 20 years... Arent you ready to try something else?

Reerun_KC · 01-15-2009, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike

We ain't drafting a QB. Cassel is packing his bags.

Can you imagine the first time Herm forces something stupid into the huddle the look on Cassels face will be priceless...

It would suck coming from a professional coaching staff to this mockery we have here...

**The Bad Guy** · 01-15-2009, 10:23 PM

The way that Pioli talked of Cassel, I'm sure he will put a call in to see what the compensation would be.

There is no way in hell I'd give up a #1 for him, but a 2 in this draft, and a 4 next year and I might do it.

It just depends. I'm willing to put total faith in Pioli to see what he can come up with.

One thing I'm fairly certain about is that Thigpen won't be the starting QB of this team next year.

**DeezNutz** · 01-15-2009, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

The way that Pioli talked of Cassel, I'm sure he will put a call in to see what the compensation would be.

There is no way in hell I'd give up a #1 for him, but a 2 in this draft, and a 4 next year and I might do it.

It just depends. I'm willing to put total faith in Pioli to see what he can come up with.

One thing I'm fairly certain about is that Thigpen won't be the starting QB of this team next year.

It all could be bullshit, but Pioli does seem to think a lot of Cassel.

For shits and grins, what are the Planet's thoughts about the following?:

Chiefs and Pats swap first-round picks (#3 and #23), Chiefs give up a third, and Chiefs receive Cassel.

I would say no, but if Pioli really wanted Cassel...and I'm not sure if this would be enough...

DJ's left nut · 01-15-2009, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by greyhoodie

It would be foolish if your GM didn't strike gold TWICE. Matt Cassel was drafted in the 7th round. And while Matt Cassel is no Tom Brady he is probably the greatest 7th round QB in history.

Matt Cassel will suck for the next team he plays for, book it.

kcchiefsus · 01-15-2009, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Unleash_the_Phury

Yes, yes, he's a circus. Give him an off-season with competent coaching, draft the best LB/DE you can find, and find a QB project in the later rounds. Brady was a 6th rounder, Drew Brees was the last pick of the 2nd round, you don't NEED to burn a top 3 pick on a QB, especially when you have so many other glaring needs.

Uhh, no. Brees was the first pick of the 2nd round which currently would be a 1st round pick with 32 picks in each round as opposed to 31 at the time he was drafted.

kcchiefsus · 01-15-2009, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by el borracho

Anytime you have a chance to draft a franchise QB you do it. If you end up with two franchise QBs, you either hang on to both for a few years (Packers) or you trade one (Chargers). Either way, you win.

Chargers didn't trade either. Brees walked as a free agent and they got a 3rd round compensatory pick.

RippedmyFlesh · 01-15-2009, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by greyhoodie

These are the QBs drafted by Scott at NE (and where they were drafted)

2000 Tom Brady 199
2001 none
2002 Rohan Davey 117
2003 Kliff Kingsbury 201
2004 none
2005 Matt Cassel 230
2006 none
2007 none
2008 Kevin O'Connell 94

I would say that is closer to every other year.

one future HOF and another very solid pick who some expect will be traded to the Chiefs; 2 busts and a TBD.

In 2000 they had bledsoe so instead of HAVING to pick a qb they went with a long shot with brady. From that point on there was no need to pick a qb high but instead went with long shots and got cassell. what it tells me is that even if you have franchise qb you still draft them.

01-15-2009, 02:30 PM
the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $9162208	Missed this comment from Clark on QBs just replayed it on 810, from petro interview Clark talked about the fact that the Patriots drafted a QB almost every year, and went on to say "I'm sure Scott Pioli's teams will draft a QB every year...and we'll hit on one of them and that will be our franchise QB..." 2 obvious points: 1. Clark gets it - we have to have a QB, and we have to draft QBs to find the right one...doesn't mean we'll take one at #3, but it is a clear change from Carl... 2. Thigpen is not our franchise QB
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01-15-2009, 08:28 PM	#124
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	I don't have a problem taking a quarterback 3rd, if there's a QB there with that kind of value. But I think going in dead set that you're taking that position because you're desperate and grasping for straws isn't any better than doing that for any other spot on the roster. And I'm not sold on any of the QBs in the '09 class. Yet. I liked Ryan this time last year, but I just don't get the same gut feeling on any of them. But I also didn't watch as much college FB this year thanks to a heavy fall workload, so they could be better than I think. Either way, I think you don't stop drafting QBs once you have one, either. It's kind of like running back in that you better have the next one ready to go. Although I obviously wouldn't spend repeated 1st round picks on the position if I had one in his prime. But I sure as hell would draft mid- to late-round ones if I thought they could be developed.
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MahiMike He's Mahomie! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Jax, FL Casino cash: $10023443	We ain't drafting a QB. Cassel is packing his bags.
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01-15-2009, 10:23 PM	#130
The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9283645	The way that Pioli talked of Cassel, I'm sure he will put a call in to see what the compensation would be. There is no way in hell I'd give up a #1 for him, but a 2 in this draft, and a 4 next year and I might do it. It just depends. I'm willing to put total faith in Pioli to see what he can come up with. One thing I'm fairly certain about is that Thigpen won't be the starting QB of this team next year. __________________
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