NFL Draft Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 - Page 9

**chiefforlife** · 02-21-2009, 09:39 AM

SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS
Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m.

Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion.

And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day.

Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff.

We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players.

Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.”

The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee.

“He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted.

“What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.”

Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person.

“As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader.

“The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.”

(And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.)

So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.

Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

reeruned opinions are not valid.

Then you'll be leaving then?

See, a decent discussion was just getting going and then you had to jump in with your insults of people who disagree with you

Perhaps you have an al-anon meeting to go torment or something. People here would like to discuss football without your trying to overcompensate for your own failures attempts at bullying people out of here.
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Mecca · 02-21-2009, 05:23 PM

...Coming from the person that just says "Scott Pioli yadda yadda" that means alot...

Anyone and I mean anyone that thinks you take a right tackle with a top 5 pick is a moron there is no way around that.

**SAUTO** · 02-21-2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by soundmind

Agreed, he is a project - and will likely be drafted a little early, but I was impressed...his size kind of killed his speed too, but he ran well, that'd be a concern for me, but I want speed at every position, so...and I know the Combine doesn't "tell all", but it would be a concern for me that Chris Wells out-benched Monroe. I'd want my OT to put it up 30x.

hey for us i thought wood at center looked pretty good
(atheletically speaking) a little weird with that curly hair rumprangerish

Mecca · 02-21-2009, 05:26 PM

Here's what I will say...the number of reps you can do has more to do with endurance than it does the actual strength of a player. Training to rep 225 is something I doubt any lineman does during a season those guys are going for max numbers more than they are the high number of reps. For those guys I'd be more concerned with their maxes are than their reps are, you rep for tone you max for strength.

Also guys with really long arms have a harder time repping.

soundmind · 02-21-2009, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

hey for us i thought wood at center looked pretty good
(atheletically speaking) a little weird with that curly hair rumprangerish

He definitely got in the conversation with Unger and Mack I think for "top of the class" if the combine is telling (and I believe it is). Surprisingly athletic for his size at center....and I like that his experience comes from Louisville if we're looking for a more hi-octane O...he may be very well suited to fit Haley & Co.

And I've been praying we get one of these Centers...so I'm very happy to see a third guy come up strong.

FAX · 02-21-2009, 05:32 PM

So ... how is zombie-nuts doing today? Making lots of new friends?

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**DeezNutz** · 02-21-2009, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

So ... how is zombie-nuts doing today? Making lots of new friends?

FAX

We're not related.

**SAUTO** · 02-21-2009, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by soundmind

He definitely got in the conversation with Unger and Mack I think for "top of the class" if the combine is telling (and I believe it is). Surprisingly athletic for his size at center....and I like that his experience comes from Louisville if we're looking for a more hi-octane O...he may be very well suited to fit Haley & Co.

And I've been praying we get one of these Centers...so I'm very happy to see a third guy come up strong.

yeah maybe one will slide to the 3rd fingers crossed

Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

...Coming from the person that just says "Scott Pioli yadda yadda" that means alot...

Anyone and I mean anyone that thinks you take a right tackle with a top 5 pick is a moron there is no way around that.

First off. I don't say that

Second, I haven't made my this is my definate selection.

Thirdly, again who the **** are you to police whose opinions are to be heard.

Fourth, anyone who says drew bledsoe is the model of what you would hope a franchise qb to be shows that although you talk like you know shit, you really don't know shit

You never did answer my earlier response to you about the 90's chiefs verses the supposed great accomplishments of drew bledsoe. You run to google and spout stats but bledsoe got to that.sb on the backs of his defense. And you can't say the chiefs didn't win shit in the 90's but you want a bledsoe type who won the same amount of playoff games as the 90's chiefs and tell me you have any clue what you are talking about

You're just a blowhard. Or at least you just act like one. If you know so much why don't you be secure enough to allow others to partipate?
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Mecca · 02-21-2009, 05:35 PM

Drew Bledsoe must have sodomized this guy that's all I can think.

soundmind · 02-21-2009, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Here's what I will say...the number of reps you can do has more to do with endurance than it does the actual strength of a player. Training to rep 225 is something I doubt any lineman does during a season those guys are going for max numbers more than they are the high number of reps. For those guys I'd be more concerned with their maxes are than their reps are, you rep for tone you max for strength.

Also guys with really long arms have a harder time repping.

I'm not a meathead, or a pro athlete, but I'm no stranger to the weightroom either...and I agree. Heavy lifting and explosives are how you get strong, but I think the stamina may tell more. An OT is physically involved in every offensive play...

But that's just in my eye, the maximum physical ability is important, but the endurance of that strength is what I'd like to know. I'm not that into watching 2 quarters of Chiefs football, only to see the second half wain. I'd much prefer a team that ran you over in the 4th as hard as they did in the 2nd - dominate the fourth!

**DeezNutz** · 02-21-2009, 05:39 PM

No one said Bledsoe is "the model of what you hope a franchise QB to be."

That would be unbelievably stupid. The model is Elway. Perhaps P. Manning. Two of the greatest QB's ever to play.

So let's try to be intellectually honest about what has been said.

Regarding Bledsoe, the guy was very good early in his career. Forget Pro Bowls. Not a lot of shitty players are two time All Pros.

He might not be "the model" or even close to "the model," but he sure as hell wasn't shit, either.

FAX · 02-21-2009, 05:39 PM

Oh, I see. Zombie vs. Mr. Mecca in a fight to the finish!!!

I haven't read up on this thread (to be honest, I'm kinda scared to). Has our brain-dead buddy with the rotting flesh actually said who he thinks would be a good choice with our #3 pick, yet? Or, is it just "You suck. Trust Pioli, he knows more than you ever will."?

FAX

Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

No one said Bledsoe is "the model of what you hope a franchise QB to be."

That would be unbelievably stupid. The model is Elway. Perhaps P. Manning. Two of the greatest QB's ever to play.

So let's try to be intellectually honest about what has been said.

Regarding Bledsoe, the guy was very good early in his career. Forget Pro Bowls. Not a lot of shitty players are two time All Pros.

He might not be "the model" or even close to "the model," but he sure as hell wasn't shit, either.

Well, then you are calling mecca unelievably stupid because he said that. When describing the sainted sanchez the terms big and strong armed were used. I compared that to what they used to say about bledsoe and mecca said hed be happy to be able to get a qb as good as bledsoe with the third pick since the words franchise qb are being used to describe stafford and sanchez and the need out of any qb the chiefs may draft to be a "franchise qb" then mecca feels bledsoe fits this model

The draft is "his thing". Then he's got the nerve to call others morons.
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Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

Oh, I see. Zombie vs. Mr. Mecca in a fight to the finish!!!

I haven't read up on this thread (to be honest, I'm kinda scared to). Has our brain-dead buddy with the rotting flesh actually said who he thinks would be a good choice with our #3 pick, yet? Or, is it just "You suck. Trust Pioli, he knows more than you ever will."?

FAX

Can mecca answer for himself without his boyfriends?
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02-21-2009, 09:39 AM
chiefforlife Colorado Chief Fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $5493147	Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m. Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion. And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day. Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff. We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players. Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.” The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee. “He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted. “What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.” Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person. “As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader. “The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.” (And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.) So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-672950	...Coming from the person that just says "Scott Pioli yadda yadda" that means alot... Anyone and I mean anyone that thinks you take a right tackle with a top 5 pick is a moron there is no way around that.
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02-21-2009, 05:26 PM	#124
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-672950	Here's what I will say...the number of reps you can do has more to do with endurance than it does the actual strength of a player. Training to rep 225 is something I doubt any lineman does during a season those guys are going for max numbers more than they are the high number of reps. For those guys I'd be more concerned with their maxes are than their reps are, you rep for tone you max for strength. Also guys with really long arms have a harder time repping.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-672950	Drew Bledsoe must have sodomized this guy that's all I can think.
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