Chiefs @people that think Sanchez would be a better fit - Page 9

jaa1025 · 09-27-2009, 11:31 PM

Are you freaking stupid? Serious question. Sanchez would be 0-3 and probably look worse behind this oline.Tom Brady, Drew Brees and Manning would be 0-3. There is NO time to throw. Every time Cassell dropped back he 3-4 defenders in his face.

When Vermiel was here we had a great oline...one of the best in the league. 2 HoFers helped pave the way for Priest, LJ and company. They gave time to an above average QB (Trent Green) and below average receivers to field the best offense in the league. You all freaking witnessed it...so how did you become so dumb and forget that the Oline makes the offense, just like the Dline (pass rush) makes the defense?

Fix the Oline-Matt has time to actually look further than 3-5 yards down the field. Becomes a star player (Trent was as a average-above average QB) and the RB's rush for 1700+ yards.

Fix the Dline(time and coaching)/OLBs(new players)--Our defense actually looks like Philly's Defense. I'd probably take our dbacks over theres and many other teams starters but they look like crap because NO ONE CAN COVER for 5-8 seconds play after play...not even Deon Sanders in his prime.

So stop with the Sanchez posts. Stop with the Tebow posts (which really makes you look incredibly stupid) and realize that our offense will continue to suck until the Oline is FIXED. It's going to be a VERY long season.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-28-2009, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I think he means with the Pats and I'll be the first to say I think a ton of QB's could have done what he did for the Pats last year.

I think that's a pretty big exaggeration. Brady's not exactly lighting the world on fire in his return.

I've said many times that one reason I like Cassel is because of that "it" factor that you spoke about with Sanchez. Cassel improved significantly last year. And he did so because he has a ridiculous work ethic and he's a quick study. I'm not so convinced that many QBs would have that sort of discipline to get better as quickly as he did. And he did so in an offense which, while they ran the ball quite a did, still did so with mostly an aerial attack--most first-time quarterbacks who succeed do so because they rely exclusively on the running game.

Mecca · 09-28-2009, 01:12 AM

I don't want Trent Green again, people still make excuses for him. Trent was a product of what was around him, I want a QB that makes the players around him better.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-28-2009, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Look man Sanchez looks better, he does what he has to do to win games, being 3-0 with their first 3 games with a rookie QB is unbelievable. But no matter what the response you're going to get is "look who Cassel plays with".

I fear that will become the tact for years to come that no matter what the Chiefs Cassel will always be given a pass because he doesn't have a perfect team.

Sanchez has looked good.

The point is, you'll never know how Cassel would do with the Jets, and you'll never know how Sanchez would do with the Chiefs. They are two entirely different situations and you'd have to be on crack to say that the Chiefs' situation is even remotely close to being as nice and cooshy as the Jets'.

listopencil · 09-28-2009, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Look man Sanchez looks better, he does what he has to do to win games, being 3-0 with their first 3 games with a rookie QB is unbelievable. But no matter what the response you're going to get is "look who Cassel plays with".

I fear that will become the tact for years to come that no matter what the Chiefs Cassel will always be given a pass because he doesn't have a perfect team.

You should have seen it over at the Mane this off season with the Cutler trade. Much worse than this place with Cassell. Some of those idiots think Cutler would have already won the Super Bowl for us three times if we had even a Pop Warner team around him apparently. Others were sure that he has always eaten babies. Crazy shit.

Mecca · 09-28-2009, 01:14 AM

It's not but lets be frank, how many people picked the Jets to finish in last? Or win 4 or 5 games?

No one thought they'd start 3-0 I'd venture most thought 0-3.

WildTurkey · 09-28-2009, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I don't want Trent Green again, people still make excuses for him. Trent was a product of what was around him, I want a QB that makes the players around him better.

exactly.... Trent Green was a nice QB but he wasn't great... I want a "great" player at QB for the Chiefs.... I guess I am greedy

listopencil · 09-28-2009, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

It's not but lets be frank, how many people picked the Jets to finish in last? Or win 4 or 5 games?

No one thought they'd start 3-0 I'd venture most thought 0-3.

I didn't. Not with a rookie QB.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-28-2009, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

You should have seen it over at the Mane this off season with the Cutler trade. Much worse than this place with Cassell. Some of those idiots think Cutler would have already won the Super Bowl for us three times if we had even a Pop Warner team around him apparently. Others were sure that he has always eaten babies. Crazy shit.

Sometimes situations and personnel just don't fit.

Mecca · 09-28-2009, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by WildTurkey

exactly.... Trent Green was a nice QB but he wasn't great... I want a "great" player at QB for the Chiefs.... I guess I am greedy

There's a good number of QB's that could have did what Trent did, he stood in the pocket all day, never got touched had an elite running game.

If we had someone with a big arm like a Drew Bledsoe back there in a situation where he wouldn't get touched he'd have probably broken a passing record.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-28-2009, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I don't want Trent Green again, people still make excuses for him. Trent was a product of what was around him, I want a QB that makes the players around him better.

That's all well and good. But you can't polish a turd. It's not like it's Cassel's fault that his o-line keeps blowing their assignments, or that the Chiefs can't move the ball an inch on the ground.

I've seen Cassel do a lot of things that Green does not. If you watch him at the line of scrimmage, he's a lot more active in calling out assignments and audibles. And whereas Green was a pure zone QB that relied on pass protection to give receivers time to hit their spots, Cassel's been a lot less shy and a lot more capable about gunning the ball into tight spots.

I think Cassel has the upside to be much better than Green. But that's not going to happen when you have the worst offensive line in football. No QB can succeed under those conditions. Even Big Ben doesn't have to deal with an o-line this bad.

listopencil · 09-28-2009, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

Sometimes situations and personnel just don't fit.

I'm honestly starting to wonder if Cutler would have had the patience to run the new Bronco Offense.

Mecca · 09-28-2009, 01:19 AM

I blame alot of this shit on Pioli and Haley, if he didn't like Gailey or his playbook you gotta make that call earlier than 2 weeks before the season.

Pioli knew this Oline was a can of smashed assholes if he didn't then he's extremely naive.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-28-2009, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

I'm honestly starting to wonder if Cutler would have had the patience to run the new Bronco Offense.

He never struck me as the patient type. His body language when a play wasn't made pretty much told the tale.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-28-2009, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I blame alot of this shit on Pioli and Haley, if he didn't like Gailey or his playbook you gotta make that call earlier than 2 weeks before the season.

Pioli knew this Oline was a can of smashed assholes if he didn't then he's extremely naive.

There's a lot of shit that pisses me off.

Ignoring the offensive line.
Playing musical ****ing chairs with receivers, when Cassel needs every last rep to build timing with his receivers
Not hiring a ****ing quarterbacks coach to tutor Cassel

You would think that when the Chiefs made all the effort to get Cassel, they'd try just a little harder to give him opportunity to get comfortable in this offense. People loved the idea of demoting Bowe or benching Bradley against Oakland. **** that. The idea pissed me off then, and it pisses me off today too.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-28-2009, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by kcpasco

And nobody knows if Sanchez is gonna be better then Cassel

We have had only 2 games to make comparisons

09-27-2009, 11:31 PM
jaa1025 Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Casino cash: $10000898	@people that think Sanchez would be a better fit Are you freaking stupid? Serious question. Sanchez would be 0-3 and probably look worse behind this oline.Tom Brady, Drew Brees and Manning would be 0-3. There is NO time to throw. Every time Cassell dropped back he 3-4 defenders in his face. When Vermiel was here we had a great oline...one of the best in the league. 2 HoFers helped pave the way for Priest, LJ and company. They gave time to an above average QB (Trent Green) and below average receivers to field the best offense in the league. You all freaking witnessed it...so how did you become so dumb and forget that the Oline makes the offense, just like the Dline (pass rush) makes the defense? Fix the Oline-Matt has time to actually look further than 3-5 yards down the field. Becomes a star player (Trent was as a average-above average QB) and the RB's rush for 1700+ yards. Fix the Dline(time and coaching)/OLBs(new players)--Our defense actually looks like Philly's Defense. I'd probably take our dbacks over theres and many other teams starters but they look like crap because NO ONE CAN COVER for 5-8 seconds play after play...not even Deon Sanders in his prime. So stop with the Sanchez posts. Stop with the Tebow posts (which really makes you look incredibly stupid) and realize that our offense will continue to suck until the Oline is FIXED. It's going to be a VERY long season.
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09-28-2009, 01:12 AM	#122
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-692950	I don't want Trent Green again, people still make excuses for him. Trent was a product of what was around him, I want a QB that makes the players around him better.
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09-28-2009, 01:14 AM	#125
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-692950	It's not but lets be frank, how many people picked the Jets to finish in last? Or win 4 or 5 games? No one thought they'd start 3-0 I'd venture most thought 0-3.
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09-28-2009, 01:19 AM	#132
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-692950	I blame alot of this shit on Pioli and Haley, if he didn't like Gailey or his playbook you gotta make that call earlier than 2 weeks before the season. Pioli knew this Oline was a can of smashed assholes if he didn't then he's extremely naive.
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