Chiefs At the Quarter Mark: Better or Worse? - Page 9

**OnTheWarpath15** · 05:47 PM

After the Haley hire, you couldn't throw a stick through this place without hitting someone that made the following comment:

"We'll be a better team based on coaching alone," or, "we'll win X amount of games due to coaching alone."

Yes, it's only been 4 games, and this is NOT a call for Haley's head - but is deserved criticism of the way he's prepared this team over the first 4 games of the regular season.

Also, IN NO WAY is the following an endorsement of Herman Edwards. What it is, however, is a giant red flag - this team - of which 60% has been handpicked by Pioli and Haley - is actually worse in almost all statistical categories when compared to the 2008 team after 4 games - which many here claimed were the darkest days of last season. We'll call it, B.S. - or, Before Spread.

Offensively (bolded number is 2009 totals):

1st downs: (63) (62)

3rd down conversions: (25/62 - 40%) (9/51 - 18%)

Total yards: (1145) (986)

Rushing yards: (554) (406)

Passing yards: (591) (580)

Sacks Allowed: (12) (13)

Penalties/Yardage: (10/109) 29/230

Scoring: (16.25 PPG) (16 PPG)

Not a single category in which we've improved over 2008, which happened to include going through 3 QB's - playing the 3rd stringer in 2 of the 4.

Defensively:

1st downs allowed: (74) (85)

3rd down conversions against: (25/54 - 46%) (25/58 - 43%)

Total yards allowed: (1517) (1516)

Rushing yards allowed: (706) (514)

Passing yards allowed: (811) (1002)

Sacks: (3) (5)

Points allowed: (24.25 PPG) (28 PPG)

Turnover margin: (+2) (Even)

Yea! 2 more sacks! And nice to see the 192 yard improvement from the rush defense, only to see 191 of it be given back up by the pass defense.

The 2008 team was apparently so bad that management felt the need to purge 30 players, yet is playing worse with a roster that is 60% their handpicked players?

What message are you trying to send, Todd? It seems like it changes on a weekly ****ing basis.

As someone who predicted a 3 win season, the losses aren't surprising me.

The way we are losing, after hearing the phrase, "we're going to be a big, strong, fast, smart, tough, disciplined football team" IS surprising me.

There is no improvement over the "Dark Ages" of last season in ANY of those areas. And there's no excuse for it, especially the lack of discipline. Make 'em run some more, Todd - it seems to be working...

Enough excuses - enough with the "messages" - enough petty bullshit sitting players - time to see some ****ing improvement. Not necessarily wins.

IMPROVEMENT.

Hammock Parties · 10-05-2009, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Not me.

Especially considering what Denver's done this season.

There's no comparison. Haley and Pioli didn't inherit an offensive line or receivers like Denver's.

The Chiefs might be 2-2 if they swapped offensive lines and receivers with the Broncos. (not to mention schedules)

Reerun_KC · 10-05-2009, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

I'm not a fluffer. We suck. I actually got laughed at four weeks ago for saying the Chiefs had taken a step backwards, but it has turned out to be totally true. I just don't see it as a bad thing. You apparently believe it means the franchise is full of shit and is headed for doom. I'm more patient.

I am willing to give these guys 3 years...

We had to endure the Herm ball washers when he arrived. Herm is one of the worst coaches to ever, ever coach in the NFL and yet people gave him the benefit of the doubt.

So if people can embrace a proven fail Head Coach.. Why is everyone bailing now when we actually are building a team for the future? Cant figure it out...

Dane?

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-05-2009, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Denver had more pieces than the Chiefs. That offensive line and those receivers blow the Chiefs' away.

Denver added seven new defensive players and hired a real defensive coordinator and they are number one in points in the NFL. More than likely, they'll finish in the top ten.

The Chiefs have added Brown, Jackson, Mays and Vrabel, moved Dorsey, Tank and Derrick Johnson. They're ranked 30th.

While Denver most certainly had more talent on offense, there shouldn't be any excuses for this defense.

Reerun_KC · 10-05-2009, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Denver added seven new defensive players and hired a real defensive coordinator and they are number one in points in the NFL. More than likely, they'll finish in the top ten.

The Chiefs have added Brown, Jackson, Mays and Vrabel, moved Dorsey, Tank and Derrick Johnson. They're ranked 30th.

While Denver most certainly had more talent on offense, there shouldn't be any excuses for this defense.

Stop drafting first round lazy ass linemen out of Loser State U....

Problem solved...

Hammock Parties · 10-05-2009, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Denver added seven new defensive players and hired a real defensive coordinator and they are number one in points in the NFL. More than likely, they'll finish in the top ten.

The Chiefs have added Brown, Jackson, Mays and Vrabel, moved Dorsey, Tank and Derrick Johnson. They're ranked 30th.

While Denver most certainly had more talent on offense, there shouldn't be any excuses for this defense.

But surely you can recognize the effect the poor offense has on the Chiefs' defense.

Nor did Pioli or Haley inherit a pass rusher like Dumervil or a corner like Bailey.

I don't think the Denver comparison holds any water. They had enough talent to sniff the playoffs last year....the Chiefs had enough talent to sniff the first pick in the draft.

No comparison.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-05-2009, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

I am willing to give these guys 3 years...

We had to endure the Herm ball washers when he arrived. Herm is one of the worst coaches to ever, ever coach in the NFL and yet people gave him the benefit of the doubt.

So if people can embrace a proven fail Head Coach.. Why is everyone bailing now when we actually are building a team for the future? Cant figure it out...

Dane?

I'm not "bailing" and my comments have absolutely nothing to do with the previous coaching staff.

I'm calling a spade a spade.

This team has not improved in any statistical category. This team is committing far more penalties. This team has essentially taken the ball out of their best offensive player's hands, week in and week out.

Haley is in WAY over his head as HC/OC/QB coach. Pendergast is performing as expected. This defense sucks ass.

I'm absolutely LIVID with Pioli's "moves". He failed to address the offensive line, running back and wide receiver in the offseason and the Chiefs would have been much better served to sign a guy like Canty or Ohshansky, allowing the Chiefs to take a true impact player with #3 overall.

How does Percy Harvin sound? Mark Sanchez? Jeremy Maclin? Knowshon Moreno? Hakeem Nicks? Hell, even Vontae Davis?

Who here wouldn't have rather had a combination of ANY of the above players and Canty/Olshansky?

This team is NOT making strides. They are in neutral or moving backwards.

And personally, I'm ****ing sick and tired of seeing guys like GoChiefs offer up his ****ing anus to people like Larry Johnson, Derrick Johnson, Jamal Charles and the rest of the merry band of ****tards that occupy space on the Chiefs roster.

Haley and Pioli so far, suck ass. If they continue down this path of destroying the roster, this team will NEVER improve.

chiefzilla1501 · 10-05-2009, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm not "bailing" and my comments have absolutely nothing to do with the previous coaching staff.

I'm calling a spade a spade.

This team has not improved in any statistical category. This team is committing far more penalties. This team has essentially taken the ball out of their best offensive player's hands, week in and week out.

Haley is in WAY over his head as HC/OC/QB coach. Pendergast is performing as expected. This defense sucks ass.

I'm absolutely LIVID with Pioli's "moves". He failed to address the offensive line, running back and wide receiver in the offseason and the Chiefs would have been much better served to sign a guy like Canty or Ohshansky, allowing the Chiefs to take a true impact player with #3 overall.

How does Percy Harvin sound? Mark Sanchez? Jeremy Maclin? Knowshon Moreno? Hakeem Nicks? Hell, even Vontae Davis?

Who here wouldn't have rather had a combination of ANY of the above players and Canty/Olshansky?

This team is NOT making strides. They are in neutral or moving backwards.

And personally, I'm ****ing sick and tired of seeing guys like GoChiefs offer up his ****ing anus to people like Larry Johnson, Derrick Johnson, Jamal Charles and the rest of the merry band of ****tards that occupy space on the Chiefs roster.

I don't disagree with you on a lot of this.

Hammock Parties · 10-05-2009, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

This team has not improved in any statistical category.

Last year we gave up 5.0 yards per carry.

This year....4.1.

Would you like to know more?

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-05-2009, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Last year we gave up 5.0 yards per carry.

This year....4.1.

Would you like to know more?

And we've given back those yards in the passing game.

Have you not read the thread starter?

Deberg_1990 · 10-05-2009, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And personally, I'm ****ing sick and tired of seeing guys like GoChiefs offer up his ****ing anus to people like Larry Johnson, Derrick Johnson, Jamal Charles and the rest of the merry band of ****tards that occupy space on the Chiefs roster.

Thank You.

Hammock Parties · 10-05-2009, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And we've given back those yards in the passing game.

Have you not read the thread starter?

Actually the yards per attempt is about the same.

Did I mention we already have five sacks?

Improvement.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-05-2009, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Actually the yards per attempt is about the same.

Did I mention we already have five sacks?

Improvement.

Excellent.

We're on pace for 25 sacks this season.

Yipeee!

Hammock Parties · 10-05-2009, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Excellent.

We're on pace for 25 sacks this season.

Yipeee!

Actually, just 20.

DOUBLE our total from last season.

Hail pederast!

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-05-2009, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Actually, just 20.

DOUBLE our total from last season.

Hail pederast!

Yeah, my bad. Long day.

And Pedergasts sucks more cock than a Thailand tranny hooker.

Hammock Parties · 10-05-2009, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, my bad. Long day.

And Pedergasts sucks more cock than a Thailand tranny hooker.

But less than a cursing german reerun!

10-05-2009, 01:50 PM
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2041115	At the Quarter Mark: Better or Worse? After the Haley hire, you couldn't throw a stick through this place without hitting someone that made the following comment: "We'll be a better team based on coaching alone," or, "we'll win X amount of games due to coaching alone." Yes, it's only been 4 games, and this is NOT a call for Haley's head - but is deserved criticism of the way he's prepared this team over the first 4 games of the regular season. Also, IN NO WAY is the following an endorsement of Herman Edwards. What it is, however, is a giant red flag - this team - of which 60% has been handpicked by Pioli and Haley - is actually worse in almost all statistical categories when compared to the 2008 team after 4 games - which many here claimed were the darkest days of last season. We'll call it, B.S. - or, Before Spread. Offensively (bolded number is 2009 totals): 1st downs: (63) (62) 3rd down conversions: (25/62 - 40%) (9/51 - 18%) Total yards: (1145) (986) Rushing yards: (554) (406) Passing yards: (591) (580) Sacks Allowed: (12) (13) Penalties/Yardage: (10/109) 29/230 Scoring: (16.25 PPG) (16 PPG) Not a single category in which we've improved over 2008, which happened to include going through 3 QB's - playing the 3rd stringer in 2 of the 4. Defensively: 1st downs allowed: (74) (85) 3rd down conversions against: (25/54 - 46%) (25/58 - 43%) Total yards allowed: (1517) (1516) Rushing yards allowed: (706) (514) Passing yards allowed: (811) (1002) Sacks: (3) (5) Points allowed: (24.25 PPG) (28 PPG) Turnover margin: (+2) (Even) Yea! 2 more sacks! And nice to see the 192 yard improvement from the rush defense, only to see 191 of it be given back up by the pass defense. The 2008 team was apparently so bad that management felt the need to purge 30 players, yet is playing worse with a roster that is 60% their handpicked players? What message are you trying to send, Todd? It seems like it changes on a weekly **ing basis. As someone who predicted a 3 win season, the losses aren't surprising me. The way we are losing, after hearing the phrase, "we're going to be a big, strong, fast, smart, tough, disciplined football team" IS surprising me. There is no improvement over the "Dark Ages" of last season in ANY of those areas. And there's no excuse for it, especially the lack of discipline. Make 'em run some more, Todd - it seems to be working... Enough excuses - enough with the "messages" - enough petty bullshit sitting players - time to see some *ing improvement. Not necessarily wins. IMPROVEMENT. Last edited by OnTheWarpath15; 10-05-2009 at 05:47 PM..*
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