Leach Fired

[Old Dog]

per ESPN

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls0...ory?id=4781981


CBSsportsline linked article as well:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/12724022
LUBBOCK, Texas -- Texas Tech has fired football coach Mike Leach.

The school handed a termination letter to Leach's attorney, Ted Liggett, on Wednesday just before the two sides were to appear in a Lubbock, Texas, courtroom for a hearing on the coach's suspension.

Liggett says the letter says Leach is "terminated with cause effective immediately."

Leach was suspended by the university on Monday while the school investigated allegations that he mistreated an injured player.

Receiver Adam James alleges Leach twice confined him to small, dark spaces during practice after the player was diagnosed with a concussion.

Texas Tech plays Michigan State on Saturday in the Alamo Bowl in San Antonio.

[Mecca]

It's all well and good to have a convo about what use to fly in 1975 but it isn't that time frame anymore, you have to realize what you can and can't do and what will not be looked upon favorably when you have a public job.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by stumppy

Of course he could have. But at what cost ? Kicked off the team and lost his schorlarship ? Hmmm, you think maybe that might have something to do with him staying put ?

I'm PRETTY sure Craig James can afford paying his kids through college...

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I absolutely cannot wait for the day that your whiny little bitch ass has to compete in the real world.

I doubt you'll make it to age 30 without mommy and daddy's help.

Scumbag.

dude if I make it to age 30 in general, score 1 for me

[Hootie]

like someone said earlier...

With Mangino, everyone came out and blasted the guy...

With Leach, vice versa...

Dude is going to get a HUGE payout and land another job sooner than later.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by jAZ

I don't have a problem with you not agreeing with the technique he used and maybe even seeing him as being somewhat petty or juvinilie on his part. But to me if it played out as I have described, it's not remotely worthy of being suspended or fired. It's far more likely that the kid was a punk, who's father is both father (understandable) but likely kind of a punk himself. And who because of his high profile in the media, was able to make just enough news out of the story as to give TT the excuse that they have wanted for months now, to fire him "with cause".

My guess is that Leach walks away getting paid the full $1.6 M for being fired without cause.

All Leach had to due is state that the kid wasn't medically cleared to play and wasn't required to come to practice.

End of story.

Instead, Leach tried to force is will upon a student and unfortunately for him, he chose the wrong student to **** with.

Adam Craig sounds like a spoiled piece of shit but even if that's the case, he shouldn't be locked in the dark in a room with guards.

It's college, not the military.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by Mecca

The problem for Leach isn't just that it's Craig James son, it's that list has a big list of reeruned things he's said, most people aren't going to give him the benefit anymore.

It's what happens when you have a coach who has shown himself to be a bit wacky, and a kid who's been spoiled. Remember his dad was involved in one of the greatest NCAA penalties of all time. Too much ego all the way around.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by Hootie

I'm PRETTY sure Craig James can afford paying his kids through college...

Not everyone wants to live off of their parents even if their parents have the means.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by Mecca

It's all well and good to have a convo about what use to fly in 1975 but it isn't that time frame anymore, you have to realize what you can and can't do and what will not be looked upon favorably when you have a public job.

Yeah, but there's still plenty of coaches who still act like it's "1975", or worse. Everybody acting like Leach is out here on some island of torture are kidding themselves.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by vailpass

Not everyone wants to live off of their parents even if their parents have the means.

well based off of what I've been reading he's already doing a pretty good job...as the only reason he got to TT in the first place was because of ol' pops...

[jAZ]

Originally Posted by vailpass

A member of the coaching fraternity who very well might get his next job from Leach writes a letter of support? A good defense attorney would need about 20 seconds to discredit this one.

An attorney is going to get Leach paid his full $1.6M for being fired without cause. These stories are surely invited in large part, and from supportive pepole, but that doesnt' make them un-true.

And for the record, the same could easily be said (about an attorney ripping apart a statement) about the James family side of things.

In the end, the knowable facts will come out, and it seems very reasonable that Leach got into a pissing match with this player, he played his father, the trump card, and in the end lost.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by jAZ

An attorney is going to get Leach paid his full $1.6M for being fired without cause. These stories are surely invited in large part, and from supportive pepole, but that doesnt' make them un-true.

And for the record, the same could easily be said (about an attorney ripping apart a statement) about the James family side of things.

In the end, the knowable facts will come out, and it seems very reasonable that Leach got into a pissing match with this player, he played his father, the trump card, and in the end lost.

Are you saying the kid lost? I didn't see the kid get canned a day before the bowl game.

We'll see. $1.6m would be a good deal for TT given the full value of Leach's contract. There could very well be a quiet settlement reached or there could be a loud and long court battle. I doubt TT wants a lot of that kind of publicity. Are you a Techy Jaz?

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

All Leach had to due is state that the kid wasn't medically cleared to play and wasn't required to come to practice.

End of story.

Instead, Leach tried to force is will upon a student and unfortunately for him, he chose the wrong student to **** with.

Adam Craig sounds like a spoiled piece of shit but even if that's the case, he shouldn't be locked in the dark in a room with guards.

It's college, not the military.

If you've ever played organized sports in your life, you know that not being allowed take part in practice is not some "get out of practice free" card, and that the players are routinely required to show up nonetheless.

The issue here isn't that the kid had to be at practice, and anyone that tries to claim it is should probably be culled from the herd. The issue isn't that the kid was forced to stay in a specific area, unless we're going to fire every teacher, coach, police officer, administrative clerk and other person who's ever set up a specific area for people.

The only significant issue I've seen so far is whether the kid was forcibly prevented from leaving, and the threat of him losing his scholarship is not a physical deterrent.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Hootie

I'm PRETTY sure Craig James can afford paying his kids through college...

Uh....yea, how much is that scholarship worth ? I don't care who you are, no young man wants to have to make that phone call telling dad he's gonna have to pony up tens of thousands of dollars.

[beer bacon]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

All Leach had to due is state that the kid wasn't medically cleared to play and wasn't required to come to practice.

End of story.

Instead, Leach tried to force is will upon a student and unfortunately for him, he chose the wrong student to **** with.

Adam Craig sounds like a spoiled piece of shit but even if that's the case, he shouldn't be locked in the dark in a room with guards.

It's college, not the military.

Just because you aren't cleared for contact, or to do sprints, or even can't walk, that doesn't mean you don't have to be at practice. Leach still makes his players participate as much as their health allows. They still have to attend practice even if they can't take part in some or all of the physical aspects.

[Frazod]

Well, at the end of the day looks like the biggest loser in this mess is Texas Tech football, followed closely by Adam James. There's no way he'll stay at Tech now, and after the allegations that have come out, good luck catching on anywhere else.