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Old 02-13-2010, 12:00 PM  
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If Berry is there and we pass
For either

A) Okung
B) McClain
C) B5TA
D) Joe Haden
E) Dez White
F) Sam Bradford (but not Clausen)
G) Dan Williams (think of picking a guy 15 spots above where he was projected)

How does that affect your view of this regime, if at all?
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Old 02-14-2010, 12:36 PM   #121
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I'm sure it's just a matter of cosmic randomness that the Colts, Ravens, Steelers, and Packers draft better than everyone else.
Is it really that they draft better? Maybe they develop talent better.
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Old 02-14-2010, 12:37 PM   #122
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the consensus is that pioli is already a failure

so, the only interesting question is how would people's opinion of him change if he does draft Berry?
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Old 02-14-2010, 12:40 PM   #123
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Is it really that they draft better? Maybe they develop talent better.
Which is why Peter Giunta was the DC for a SB champion defense (as was G-Rob*2) and yet removed from that talent they "developed" one of the worst collections of talent in the history of the NFL
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Old 02-14-2010, 12:42 PM   #124
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Is it really that they draft better? Maybe they develop talent better.
There's the rub that most people don't talk about.

bad teams seem to turn whomever they draft into shit.


bad drafting or bad player development?


alot people seem to believe that a good player will overcome bad coaching and bad development no matter what. I disagree ... imo there is no way that some of these crappy teams that have been drafting at the top for the last decade could "miss" on their picks that consistently. Bad coaching,Bad development and Bad team environment contributes to the downfall of all those draftees.
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Old 02-14-2010, 12:43 PM   #125
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the consensus is that pioli is already a failure
only by people too idiotic to be allow to breed in the future.
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There's the rub that most people don't talk about.

bad teams seem to turn whomever they draft into shit.


bad drafting or bad player development?


alot people seem to believe that a good player will overcome bad coaching and bad development no matter what. I disagree ... imo there is no way that some of these crappy teams that have been drafting at the top for the last decade could "miss" on their picks that consistently. Bad coaching,Bad development and Bad team environment contributes to the downfall of all those draftees.
Funny how this was a completely foreign concept when people were arguing that changing to a 3-4 would **** up Dorsey's development.
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Old 02-14-2010, 01:26 PM   #127
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you may think but you don't know. If you KNOW who's going to be good and who won't, you should be working for an NFL team or at the least ESPN or NFL network. Since you know more than the "experts" and all
Its just too bad the NFL is about who you know and now what you know
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Its just too bad the NFL is about who you know and now what you know
Our head coach has a litany of experience as both a player (ironically used against posters in the past) and a coach. Fortunately, through hard work and dedication he was able to get a foothold in this league, unlike some other nincompoop that was the beneficiary of nepotism, like Rex Ryan.
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Todd Haley first got into the NFL because of his dad..
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Which is why Peter Giunta was the DC for a SB champion defense (as was G-Rob*2) and yet removed from that talent they "developed" one of the worst collections of talent in the history of the NFL
Are you kidding me... the superbowl championship defense of the 1999 Rams. The best offensive team in the history of the league. Yeah I guess that it took alot of skill to prevent the other team from scoring more then the 30 points per game that the STL offense put up. What a horrible argument(how long did he have to assemble that defense?). Full reerun?
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Are you kidding me... the superbowl championship defense of the 1999 Rams. The best offensive team in the history of the league. Yeah I guess that it took alot of skill to prevent the other team from scoring more then the 30 points per game that the STL offense put up. What a horrible argument(how long did he have to assemble that defense?). Full reerun?
Their job was about as hard as the Patriots offense while Weis was there managing the offense to not blow the game for the defense.
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Are you kidding me... the superbowl championship defense of the 1999 Rams. The best offensive team in the history of the league. Yeah I guess that it took alot of skill to prevent the other team from scoring more then the 30 points per game that the STL offense put up. What a horrible argument(how long did he have to assemble that defense?). Full reerun?
They were 6th in the league in defense and near the lead league in TO's you Reindeer molesting ****.
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They were 6th in the league in defense and near the lead league in TO's you Reindeer molesting ****.
Are you seriously trying to convince me that the Rams 1999 defense was a big part in them winning the Superbowl?

That defense was a product of their offense. Maby if teams werent playing catchup they wouldnt be first against the run and in sacks. Look at their time of possetion.

And the rams 1999 defense compared to what Giunta did elsewhere is your basis for saying that good teams aren't better at developing talent? Come on man you are reaching...
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