KU Turner Gill has lost his fkng mind - Page 9

**ChiTown** · 09-29-2010, 03:02 PM

Who gives a shit about cell phones, but a man needs pussy. Just sayin....

In Kansas, Turner Gill Becomes the Wizard of Odd

9/29/2010 12:39 PM ET By Clay Travis

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Clay Travis
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Want to be out after 10 at night in the presence of a woman? Good luck, if you're a football player in Lawrence, Kan. Correction, make that a college football player in Lawrence; high school gridders have greater freedoms these days than anyone on the Jayhawks.

The "no women after 10 p.m." rule is one of first-year head coach Turner Gill's rules for the Kansas football team. The rule isn't just for public interaction, you also violate it if you're in the presence of a woman at her place or yours. While Gill has acknowledged that proving a violation is difficult, according to KUSports.com, "he (Gill) explained the penalty would be more severe if a KU player was involved with an incident and it was discovered that the player had broken the policy."

More severe?

What if the player isn't doing anything at all but hanging out with a member of the opposite sex? And 10 at night? Ten? Coaches are fond of saying nothing good happens after midnight -- which is completely wrong, by the way. Expanding that cliche to encompass nothing good happening before the nightly news is over? Most nursing home residents are living scandalous lifestyles compared to the antediluvian restrictions that Gill is foisting upon his players.

Is Gill aware coed dorms exist? What happens then? Do players have to show up every morning at five to run wind sprints as penance for having the temerity to live in the same building with unmarried women? Already, despite the opposite-sex prohibitions, Kansas has lost to North Dakota State in its home opener. Can you imagine how badly the Jayhawks might have lost to North Dakota State if players had been allowed to speak with women after 10?

I can, it might have been 9-3 instead of 6-3.

In order to pull off this road win and counteract the female prohibition at Kansas, North Dakota State's entire team must have pledged to be celibate for the rest of their lives. A small price to pay for a Saturday win.

How can you expect a college student to behave like a man when you insist on treating him like a child?
Turner Gill's expansive directives aimed at controlling his players every waking moment are the latest examples of football coaches becoming more and more like totalitarian dictators each year. Freedom of communication grows for college students? Football coaches push back in the opposite direction, limiting those freedoms in a misguided attempt to tighten the reins of program discipline. Facebook? Some coaches are banning it. Twitter? Boise State's Chris Petersen began the banning rush in the offseason. Now, Kansas doesn't want its football players around women at night. What's next, players not allowed to have cell phones?

Too late.

Kansas players can't do that either, not in the 24 hours leading up to a game, anyway. That's because the Kansas coaching staff confiscates the players' cell phones and won't return them until after the game. I'm not making this up. They actually take the phones. A parent or family member needing to reach your child in the event of emergency? You call the director of football operations.

Keep in mind, these are grown-ass men. Not seventh graders. Not adolescents. Grown men who could serve their country overseas, grown men who may be parents themselves, grown men who are being treated like infants unable to make their own decisions and handle their own priorities. How can you expect a college student to behave like a man when you insist on treating him like a child? As countless parents have already learned, stifling personal freedom doesn't lead to growth, it leads to greater dependence.

Football coaches want their players to be gridiron monks, the Dalia Lama with a 425-pound bench press. They want automatons walled off from the rest of the world who believe that the full import of their lives begins and ends in the 60 minutes they spend each week on the football field. But in today's era doesn't that control defeat the entire purpose of attending college? If, as the NCAA constantly argues -- most of our athletes are going pro in something other than sports -- then how does it help athletes to wall them off from the surrounding community of students?

Nor does this even consider the legalities at play here. Can a coach even have a written rule that would limit contact with women after 10 at night? Can a coach demand that a player relinquish his physical property for a period of time if that player doesn't want to? As a lawyer, I don't think so. If a player challenged these rules, I think he'd be able to prove that they were beyond the scope of his scholarship acceptance.

Indeed, it's a true shame that Kansas' faculty has allowed restrictions like these to take root for any students, regardless of who they are or what group they're associated with. Imagine if, for instance, a student association on campus had a written policy that all members, under threat of penalty, could not speak to members of the opposite sex on campus after 10 at night. Would that pass without faculty comment? I doubt it.

Restrictions like these represent the antithesis of what collegiate life is supposed to entail. Most students learn more from each other than they ever do from their books. Most men learn more about women in college than they've ever learned before. Indeed, by restricting student interaction with the opposite sex to limited hours, Gill is sending the message to his team that women are the enemy, modern day Bathshebas, existing only to tempt and lead them astray from their true purpose on the campus.

Which is to play football games.

And that's ultimately the real issue here, all of these restrictions strip away the fig leaf of academia, that these players are regular students who just happen to play sports. The reality is something much different of course, these are football players who just happen to be students. By placing these restrictions on his players Gill proves that even as a 48-year-old coach he still hasn't learned the most important lesson a football player can learn.

There is life outside of football.

http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/201...wizard-of-odd/

**Shogun** · 09-30-2010, 07:27 AM

Im a huge KU fan. Through all the great, amazing years our Basketball team has given us, through the mostly shitty times and few good years our Football Team and Mangina has given us. Let's be honest. We had our few good years in Football, won the Division, and even two bowl games. But we were not Alabama or Florida by any means, and as I respect how big of a fan you are for the team Wickedson, and I look forward to cheering with you when Basketball season starts. You're quite a bit delusional about the success of the football team.

/$.02

Bambi · 09-30-2010, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

While it was impressive, I'll still take 2 Championships and 48 total victories over 1 Championship, an Orange Bowl win, and 49 total victories.

That's fine. I'm not trying to compare the schools.

The tone this article was written represents a fan of a team who has seen nowhere near the success Kansas has seen in recent years and quite frankly is a bit jealous about it.

The Jayhawks play 6 home games a year. That means this policy is in effect 6 times!!!

Bambi · 09-30-2010, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Shogun

Im a huge KU fan. Through all the great, amazing years our Basketball team has given us, through the mostly shitty times and few good years our Football Team and Mangina has given us. Let's be honest. We had our few good years in Football, won the Division, and even two bowl games. But we were not Alabama or Florida by any means, and as I respect how big of a fan you are for the team Wickedson, and I look forward to cheering with you when Basketball season starts. You're quite a bit delusional about the success of the football team.

/$.02

That's fine. I'm looking forward to basketball season but I think football first.

One thing at a time my friend. There will be plenty of time to win another conference title..

**Shogun** · 09-30-2010, 07:42 AM

Now that is a good point.

**DaKCMan AP** · 09-30-2010, 07:45 AM

If it's just before home games - no big deal. Most teams sequester the players prior to games. I know Florida stays in a team hotel the night before home games. However, if it's a constant 10pm rule, that's crazy.

Bambi · 09-30-2010, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown

You live that ONE magical season like it represents your past and future. It's the basis for many of your conversations and the justification for many of your points. That is why it is LOL funny to the other 99.99% of the members of this BB.

In other words................Congrats on being alive and witnessing when Haley's Comet was in the sky!

Just like KSU talks 2003.

It was the pinnacle of the Mangino era. There were many other fine seasons as well but that was the best.

I only bring it up as a possible reason why this guy appears to want to rag on KU so bad.

**Shogun** · 09-30-2010, 07:48 AM

We should bring in Tim Tebow to run shit. Those guys dicks are getting near anything with that guy around.

Bambi · 09-30-2010, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

If it's just before home games - no big deal. Most teams sequester the players prior to games. I know Florida stays in a team hotel the night before home games. However, if it's a constant 10pm rule, that's crazy.

Like I said. Many school do this.

I thought people around here knew that.... guess not

**ChiTown** · 09-30-2010, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Wickedson

Just like KSU talks 2003.

It was the pinnacle of the Mangino era. There were many other fine seasons as well but that was the best.

I only bring it up as a possible reason why this guy appears to want to rag on KU so bad.

LOL

Well, in 2003, that was the 3rd time KSU had actually been to the B12 Champ Game - which is 3 more times than KU

Also, we actually won it, while beating (sorry, destroying) the consensus #1 team in the nation. Also, that was our 6th 11th win season in 7 years, and we were on our way to our 11th straight Bowl Game. For you to even discuss that in comparison to what KU did is like me comparing our run last year to the Elite 8 to your winning the NC Game in 2008 - Stupid.

Mr. Plow · 09-30-2010, 08:04 AM

If it's just the 24 hours before games, I don't see the big deal. In sports, we were always told to "get a good nights sleep" before a game.

If it's everyday of every week....that's excessive.

WilliamTheIrish · 09-30-2010, 09:16 AM

Venom! Hate!

**Bowser** · 09-30-2010, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

Venom! Hate!

Bambi · 09-30-2010, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

Venom! Hate!

Tradition! Excellence! Champion!

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-30-2010, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Congratulations, your football coach is the black Jerry Falwell.

I love this thread already.

**ChiTown** · 09-30-2010, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Wickedson

Tradition! Excellence! Champion!

I agree. Your Basketball Program is all that.

09-29-2010, 03:02 PM
ChiTown Stroking to the SB Champs! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Flatlands of Kansas Casino cash: $-511038	Turner Gill has lost his fkng mind Who gives a shit about cell phones, but a man needs pussy. Just sayin.... In Kansas, Turner Gill Becomes the Wizard of Odd 9/29/2010 12:39 PM ET By Clay Travis AText Size Print this page\|EmailShare on FacebookShare on TwitterShare on DiggShare on Lifestream Clay Travis Senior NCAA Writer Want to be out after 10 at night in the presence of a woman? Good luck, if you're a football player in Lawrence, Kan. Correction, make that a college football player in Lawrence; high school gridders have greater freedoms these days than anyone on the Jayhawks. The "no women after 10 p.m." rule is one of first-year head coach Turner Gill's rules for the Kansas football team. The rule isn't just for public interaction, you also violate it if you're in the presence of a woman at her place or yours. While Gill has acknowledged that proving a violation is difficult, according to KUSports.com, "he (Gill) explained the penalty would be more severe if a KU player was involved with an incident and it was discovered that the player had broken the policy." More severe? What if the player isn't doing anything at all but hanging out with a member of the opposite sex? And 10 at night? Ten? Coaches are fond of saying nothing good happens after midnight -- which is completely wrong, by the way. Expanding that cliche to encompass nothing good happening before the nightly news is over? Most nursing home residents are living scandalous lifestyles compared to the antediluvian restrictions that Gill is foisting upon his players. Is Gill aware coed dorms exist? What happens then? Do players have to show up every morning at five to run wind sprints as penance for having the temerity to live in the same building with unmarried women? Already, despite the opposite-sex prohibitions, Kansas has lost to North Dakota State in its home opener. Can you imagine how badly the Jayhawks might have lost to North Dakota State if players had been allowed to speak with women after 10? I can, it might have been 9-3 instead of 6-3. In order to pull off this road win and counteract the female prohibition at Kansas, North Dakota State's entire team must have pledged to be celibate for the rest of their lives. A small price to pay for a Saturday win. How can you expect a college student to behave like a man when you insist on treating him like a child? Turner Gill's expansive directives aimed at controlling his players every waking moment are the latest examples of football coaches becoming more and more like totalitarian dictators each year. Freedom of communication grows for college students? Football coaches push back in the opposite direction, limiting those freedoms in a misguided attempt to tighten the reins of program discipline. Facebook? Some coaches are banning it. Twitter? Boise State's Chris Petersen began the banning rush in the offseason. Now, Kansas doesn't want its football players around women at night. What's next, players not allowed to have cell phones? Too late. Kansas players can't do that either, not in the 24 hours leading up to a game, anyway. That's because the Kansas coaching staff confiscates the players' cell phones and won't return them until after the game. I'm not making this up. They actually take the phones. A parent or family member needing to reach your child in the event of emergency? You call the director of football operations. Keep in mind, these are grown-ass men. Not seventh graders. Not adolescents. Grown men who could serve their country overseas, grown men who may be parents themselves, grown men who are being treated like infants unable to make their own decisions and handle their own priorities. How can you expect a college student to behave like a man when you insist on treating him like a child? As countless parents have already learned, stifling personal freedom doesn't lead to growth, it leads to greater dependence. Football coaches want their players to be gridiron monks, the Dalia Lama with a 425-pound bench press. They want automatons walled off from the rest of the world who believe that the full import of their lives begins and ends in the 60 minutes they spend each week on the football field. But in today's era doesn't that control defeat the entire purpose of attending college? If, as the NCAA constantly argues -- most of our athletes are going pro in something other than sports -- then how does it help athletes to wall them off from the surrounding community of students? Nor does this even consider the legalities at play here. Can a coach even have a written rule that would limit contact with women after 10 at night? Can a coach demand that a player relinquish his physical property for a period of time if that player doesn't want to? As a lawyer, I don't think so. If a player challenged these rules, I think he'd be able to prove that they were beyond the scope of his scholarship acceptance. Indeed, it's a true shame that Kansas' faculty has allowed restrictions like these to take root for any students, regardless of who they are or what group they're associated with. Imagine if, for instance, a student association on campus had a written policy that all members, under threat of penalty, could not speak to members of the opposite sex on campus after 10 at night. Would that pass without faculty comment? I doubt it. Restrictions like these represent the antithesis of what collegiate life is supposed to entail. Most students learn more from each other than they ever do from their books. Most men learn more about women in college than they've ever learned before. Indeed, by restricting student interaction with the opposite sex to limited hours, Gill is sending the message to his team that women are the enemy, modern day Bathshebas, existing only to tempt and lead them astray from their true purpose on the campus. Which is to play football games. And that's ultimately the real issue here, all of these restrictions strip away the fig leaf of academia, that these players are regular students who just happen to play sports. The reality is something much different of course, these are football players who just happen to be students. By placing these restrictions on his players Gill proves that even as a 48-year-old coach he still hasn't learned the most important lesson a football player can learn. There is life outside of football. http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/201...wizard-of-odd/
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