Chiefs Haley's termination. Cliff notes and highlites? - Page 9

milkman · 12-13-2011, 10:33 PM

So I've worked long hours the last couple of days, and haven't had much time to read the threads.

In perusing a couple of threads, I've seen someone alluding to "things we've learned" about this firing.

Can someone enlighten me what it is we've learned?

**BossChief** · 12-14-2011, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Omega

Well, I will give you your due if Haley even coordinates a top 10 offense in this league again.

I think he probably got screwed over here a little bit, but that he was never going to be more than an average head coach.

For the record I always liked the guy, but I used to like Gunther, too.

People forget that Haley was a legit finalist for the coach of the year award for 2010.

Looking back, he probably deserved to get the award knowing he was responsible for Cassel.

I will always feel the guy would have been a top 5 HC in the league if he was given a quarterback he could run his offense with.

We really screwed up by firing him.

Fritz88 · 12-14-2011, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Im gonna go ahead and believe one of the most rock solid sources in the media over your opinion.

Haley coached Cassel up after Weis quit on the project.

That info also makes me wonder if Weis really did want Clausen and that him quitting on Cassel that early was a sign that the team needed to draft or trade for somebody to replace him with.

Watch Weis get back into the NFL after another year and for him to make a trade for Jimmy to be his QB.

Stranger things have happened.

If you really believe this, you are one of the most "football stupid" posters here.

It was against bad defenses, but Cassel looked really good during part of 2010.

Guys like The Bad Guy talked about him as if he was in the MVP race.

So if a rock soild source throws up shit, its infallible truth?

Ill give Charles credit and say he's 80% spot on some of what he said. But to draw the conclusion that it was Haley who got the most out of Cassel last year by developing him is horseshit.

If its anything, its an indictment of how shitty of a coach Haley is, because if he improved Cassel, it would have carried on to this season. Instead, Cassel regressed from the moment Weis announced he was leaving. I am going to consider this more logical than some tweets.
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WhiteWhale · 12-14-2011, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by JCharles1981

We learned that.....

1. the moment our team ends a season by winning their division, Team Personnel lets the offensive coordinator go and hires someone with little to no experience in his place.

2. Scott Pioli is Clark Hunt's b*tch.

3. our streak of signing career back up QB's may never end.

4. King Carl is capable of putting the Chiefs in the playoffs year after year, but Pioli isn't.

5. you don't hire a guy to be Head Coach just because he was offensive coordinator for a Superbowl team that lost. Plus, let's not forget that Haley made himself both HC and OC his first year with the Chiefs after firing the OC that was brought in prior to the 2009 preseason.

King Carl wasn't capable of taking a shit without Marty.

Hammock Parties · 12-14-2011, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

People forget that Haley was a legit finalist for the coach of the year award for 2010.

Looking back, he probably deserved to get the award knowing he was responsible for Cassel.

I will always feel the guy would have been a top 5 HC in the league if he was given a quarterback he could run his offense with.

We really screwed up by firing him.

So what do you blame for being blown out 5 times a year?

That's a really bad trend.

I can only hypothesize that Haley's gameplanning had a fatal flaw.

**BossChief** · 12-14-2011, 02:03 AM

Let me also say that I give a lot of the credit for the quality of the last two drafts to Haley, more so than Pioli.

Haleys been around talent evaluators and scouts since he was a kid and his dad built the great Steeler teams of the 70s.

I dont think its any coincidence that the 2009 draft was so horrible and then the next two were pretty damn good. Watch what happens over the next few years as those guys come into their own...I think the 2011 draft will end up being the best this team has had in decades.

Id LOVE to hear who Haley wanted from that 2009 draft....I bet it was Orakpo (my preference)

I hate to say it, but I think we may be in for another "doozy" in 2012 and whatever team Haley goes to will have solid drafts.

WhiteWhale · 12-14-2011, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

Players wont say anything publicly if they have a problem with their coach.

And you have no clue what Albert was talking about in that tweet. Keep the assumptions to yourself.

The hell are you guys talking about?

Did any of you listen to Tiki Barber both while he was with the Giants and after he retired? All he did was shit talk the coach in public. Hell, half the team complained about him all the time. They seemed to stop after 2007. Not sure why....

**BossChief** · 12-14-2011, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Omega

So what do you blame for being blown out 5 times a year?

That's a really bad trend.

I can only hypothesize that Haley's gameplanning had a fatal flaw.

CASSEL is a fatal flaw and every DC in the NFL knows it.

Berry
Charles
Moeaki

McGraw
Piscatelli
Washington

Romeos scheme when he isnt being aggressive.

**BossChief** · 12-14-2011, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

The hell are you guys talking about?

Did any of you listen to Tiki Barber both while he was with the Giants and after he retired? All he did was shit talk the coach in public. Hell, half the team complained about him all the time. They seemed to stop after 2007. Not sure why....

Tiki is a mental case and shouldn't be brought up to reinforce any stance.

Now, choke yourself.

WITH MY HAND, NUMBNUTS!!

Hammock Parties · 12-14-2011, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

CASSEL is a fatal flaw and every DC in the NFL knows it.

Berry
Charles
Moeaki

McGraw
Piscatelli
Washington

Romeos scheme when he isnt being aggressive.

The last six names aren't an excuse, because the blowouts happened every year he was here.

If Cassel is truly the reason for all these blowouts, and he is retained, then we'll see it again next season.

I don't really buy it. We would come out in some of these games and just get slaughtered from the get-go on both sides of the ball.

WhiteWhale · 12-14-2011, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Tiki is a mental case and shouldn't be brought up to reinforce any stance.

Now, choke yourself.

WITH MY HAND, NUMBNUTS!!

It's not good for the career, but it happens. Player do in fact bitch about coaches.

Yeah, most of them are 'head cases'. Tony bitched about our coaches all the time. So did Larry Johnson.

Titty Meat · 12-14-2011, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

People forget that Haley was a legit finalist for the coach of the year award for 2010.

Looking back, he probably deserved to get the award knowing he was responsible for Cassel.

I will always feel the guy would have been a top 5 HC in the league if he was given a quarterback he could run his offense with.

We really screwed up by firing him.

You probably thought the confederates would have done a great job with the country too.

Fritz88 · 12-14-2011, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

We really screwed up by firing him.

Holy monkey shit.
Man crush on Haley confirmed.

Haley was a ****ing inept coach. He will NOT amount to anything as a HC in this league.

He has fundamental issues thy can't be fixed.

The first of which is believing in Casshole and starting Calabolo over Stanzi.
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Hammock Parties · 12-14-2011, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

You probably thought the confederates would have done a great job with the country too.

Post of the ****ing week!

WhiteWhale · 12-14-2011, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

You probably thought the confederates would have done a great job with the country too.

The confederates never attempted to seize the country.

JCharles1981 · 12-14-2011, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

King Carl wasn't capable of taking a shit without Marty.

True that. Maybe Lamar Hunt should have fired Carl the same year Schottenheimer was fired. But, wait, Lamar actually liked Carl Peterson, so that is why it didn't happen.

12-13-2011, 10:33 PM
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	Haley's termination. Cliff notes and highlites? So I've worked long hours the last couple of days, and haven't had much time to read the threads. In perusing a couple of threads, I've seen someone alluding to "things we've learned" about this firing. Can someone enlighten me what it is we've learned?
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12-14-2011, 02:03 AM	#125
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1725912	Let me also say that I give a lot of the credit for the quality of the last two drafts to Haley, more so than Pioli. Haleys been around talent evaluators and scouts since he was a kid and his dad built the great Steeler teams of the 70s. I dont think its any coincidence that the 2009 draft was so horrible and then the next two were pretty damn good. Watch what happens over the next few years as those guys come into their own...I think the 2011 draft will end up being the best this team has had in decades. Id LOVE to hear who Haley wanted from that 2009 draft....I bet it was Orakpo (my preference) I hate to say it, but I think we may be in for another "doozy" in 2012 and whatever team Haley goes to will have solid drafts. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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