Chiefs The playcalling difference...

**petegz28** · 12-19-2011, 10:54 AM

The difference in playcalling yesterday compared to the entire season if not the last 3 seasons was just ****ing mind bottling! Not 1,2,3, but 4 screens in one game? TE's being hit over the middle for more than 3 yards? No Dex up the middle for -2?

Ok, so, was this really because of Orton who had practiced really all of one week? Or was this because Haley was not there to chain down Muir on the playcalling?

Don't get me wrong, I am not here to sell Muir as a good OC. But JFC...we were a totally different team all the way around? How does this happen in less than a week? How does a team that couldn't get a first down to save their life suddenly go to punting onl twice the entire game with 0 turnovers and 0 sacks?

Obviously Orton brings a lot to that situation but it was the non-passing plays that stuck out the most. Particularly the lack of running Mighty Mouse 1.5 up the middle constantly for not.

I think Haley was a damper on this offense. When Muir and Zorn can take the same roster of backups and retirees with a QB that has been practing for all of a few days and turnout the performance we saw against The Pack then yu have to say that either Orton was football God's gift to the Chiefs or Muir and Zorn were finally able to call an offense that would actually produce.

htismaqe · 12-19-2011, 10:58 AM

RAC himself said they didn't do anything much different.

They've run screens for the better part of 2.5 years, Cassel just can't execute them.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 12-19-2011, 11:00 AM

I know my mind is bottled.

**petegz28** · 12-19-2011, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

RAC himself said they didn't do anything much different.

They've run screens for the better part of 2.5 years, Cassel just can't execute them.

I guess so. But even when Cassel did it seemed the blocking was never there.

Just 3 points of note that makes me think Haley was the wet rag on the offense..

1. Palko inactive
2. Dex used sparingly and not as a power runner
3. The increased use of McClain

htismaqe · 12-19-2011, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

I guess so. But even when Cassel did it seemed the blocking was never there.

Just 3 points of note that makes me think Haley was the wet rag on the offense..

1. Palko inactive
2. Dex used sparingly and not as a power runner
3. The increased use of McClain

1. Legitimate.
2. Dex ran 2 delay draws straight up the middle, same as every other week.
3. The Chiefs have run those types of screens all year. They ran that one in the gold zone against Minnesota and Cassel never even looked to McClain's side of the field. He ended up grounding the ball.

**petegz28** · 12-19-2011, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

1. Legitimate.
2. Dex ran 2 delay draws straight up the middle, same as every other week.
3. The Chiefs have run those types of screens all year. They ran that one in the gold zone against Minnesota and Cassel never even looked to McClain's side of the field. He ended up grounding the ball.

Yeah Dex rana couple draws but we saw him used far less in the running game than we have been. And I don't think we have ran dick for screens. I know we have tried a few here and there but nothing like we saw yesterday.

htismaqe · 12-19-2011, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

And I don't think we have ran dick for screens. I know we have tried a few here and there but nothing like we saw yesterday.

Because they don't work with Cassel under center. He can't sell them because they require an extreme amount of patience under pressure.

**Fire Me Boy!** · 12-19-2011, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Yeah Dex rana couple draws but we saw him used far less in the running game than we have been. And I don't think we have ran dick for screens. I know we have tried a few here and there but nothing like we saw yesterday.

Not sure about how many we've tried, but I remember yesterday thinking, "Holy shit! We just ran a successful screen for the first time in forever!"

jjjayb · 12-19-2011, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

And I don't think we have ran dick for screens. I know we have tried a few here and there but nothing like we saw yesterday.

You don't remember the screen we ran to lose the game against San Diego? The one where Cassel threw it to the guy on the other team? That's why we didn't run more screens. Because Cassel is inept.

**DaKCMan AP** · 12-19-2011, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

RAC himself said they didn't do anything much different.

They've run screens for the better part of 2.5 years, Cassel just can't execute them.

Yep. I didn't see much difference in play calling. It was just executed properly.

**Dave Lane** · 12-19-2011, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

RAC himself said they didn't do anything much different.

They've run screens for the better part of 2.5 years, Cassel just can't execute them.

This is exactly the problem Orton > Cassel and trying to showcase himself for a big payday = Big difference in execution.

Chiefnj2 · 12-19-2011, 11:01 AM

Playcalling was better except for one series where they went ultraconservative.

10 different players caught the ball.

htismaqe · 12-19-2011, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

10 different players caught the ball.

1 different player threw the ball.

boogblaster · 12-19-2011, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

1 different player threw the ball.

this ......

NY CHIEF · 12-19-2011, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Playcalling was better except for one series where they went ultraconservative.

10 different players caught the ball.

I didnt know we had 10 players that could catch the ball

12-19-2011, 10:54 AM	Topic Starter
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $-1115873	The playcalling difference... The difference in playcalling yesterday compared to the entire season if not the last 3 seasons was just ****ing mind bottling! Not 1,2,3, but 4 screens in one game? TE's being hit over the middle for more than 3 yards? No Dex up the middle for -2? Ok, so, was this really because of Orton who had practiced really all of one week? Or was this because Haley was not there to chain down Muir on the playcalling? Don't get me wrong, I am not here to sell Muir as a good OC. But JFC...we were a totally different team all the way around? How does this happen in less than a week? How does a team that couldn't get a first down to save their life suddenly go to punting onl twice the entire game with 0 turnovers and 0 sacks? Obviously Orton brings a lot to that situation but it was the non-passing plays that stuck out the most. Particularly the lack of running Mighty Mouse 1.5 up the middle constantly for not. I think Haley was a damper on this offense. When Muir and Zorn can take the same roster of backups and retirees with a QB that has been practing for all of a few days and turnout the performance we saw against The Pack then yu have to say that either Orton was football God's gift to the Chiefs or Muir and Zorn were finally able to call an offense that would actually produce.
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12-19-2011, 10:58 AM	#2
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