Late night bullshit: drafting the Chiefs in the CP Mock.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by O.city

Direk, while I think Irving is a good versatile player that could become an all pro type player, even if he does, the value from the outcome just wouldn't be there from the pick.

It's just a waste of funds to take a center that high. Now his versatility can change that a bit, but still not enough I don't think.

Problem is, even if he's an all pro center, I'm not sure how much difference in value or improvement to your team that makes verse just an average to slightly above average center.

Whereas say, a corner back or wr would make more difference there.

I think the same can be said for an ILB but I'm not sure it's as big therr

I agree. I really think that Maxx Williams could open this entire offense up. Look at what we did to the Patriots and Dolphins when we ran the 3 TE set? LB's will be struggling to cover both TE's and the middle of the field will be open for Maclin, Wilson, etc.

Really think CB is a good choice as well with Parker forced to play that spot last year.
If we do draft an OL I think there's a great chance it will be DJ Hunphries.

[Direckshun]

Made my third selection. What I posted is as follows:

The Chiefs have a very simple decision to make, here.

The Chiefs select Justin Hardy, WR, East Carolina.

The Decision

It would have been harder had the previous two picks not occurred. The way my board fell had three guys above everybody else: Nelson, D'Joun Smith, and Hardy. There are some other talents that I like just as much at TE, OT, OLB, and DE, but I feel like those talents could be available at the bottom of the 3rd. Of the remaining WRs, Justin Hardy is by far the best, and he's at the top of my board. It's a no brainer.

The WR Position

The Chiefs have a ton of young promise at the WR position now. With Maclin and Devin Smith, they have an interesting Week 1 starting crew, with Albert Wilson and De'Anthony Thomas providing some help as well. The Chiefs also inked Jason Avant this offseason, but I don't have any faith that he'll stay healthy or even make the roster.

Hardy can come in right away and play a ton of snaps out of the slot. John Dorsey knows as good as anybody that having a 3rd and 4th receiver that's better than your opponent's 3rd and 4th CB is worth its weight in gold.

Justin Hardy

Hardy has all the making of a receiver that can succeed with Alex Smith. At 5'10", with less-than-elite speed, he's not your typical Dorsey-approved physical specimen, but he is an excellent route-runner with very high football IQ. He can set up corners over the course of a game for a devasating double move, he can stack up some YAC, he can make great circus catches with his 10" hands, and he's an incredibly tough player. He blocks, he returns punts, and he has nigh unparalleled work ethic.

Hardy's Impact

The Chiefs now have themselves a WR corps in Kelce, Maclin, Smith, Hardy, Wilson, and Thomas who are all under contract for at LEAST the next two years (as is Alex Smith, Knile Davis, and at least 4/5 of the Week 1 starting OL). This is an offense that WILL BE BETTER in Week 8 than they were in Week 1, better in Week 16 than they were in Week 8, and be better in 2016 than they were in 2015.

If you want to point the arrow way, way up for the offense, you flesh out this WR corps with the best possible talent.

[Sandy Vagina]

I like Hardy, and you could have done worse.. but I think you should have selected DB Eric Rowe from Utah. Can develop at LCB as Gaines played well as NCB. Worst case is, Rowe gets moved back to a familiar S role some day, if he doesn't succeed at corner.

Or if KC can't throw the big money at Sean Smith after this year?

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

I like Hardy, and you could have done worse.. but I think you should have selected DB Eric Rowe from Utah. Can develop at LCB as Gaines played well as NCB. Worst case is, Rowe gets moved back to a familiar S role some day, if he doesn't succeed at corner.

Or if KC can't throw the big money at Sean Smith after this year?

I think he should have selected Marcus Mariota.

[The Franchise]

Rowe was already drafted.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Dicky McElephant

Rowe was already drafted.

well shit... so he was.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Great googly moogly. Unleash The....hootie

[Direckshun]

Halfway through.

[Direckshun]

My reasoning for Jones in the 4th:

This was such a tough decision between Doran Grant, who is an excellent nickel CB, Ben Koyack, my third favorite TE in this draft, and Jones.

I have Grant graded a hair higher, but Jones simply offers more value. He's a better, more athletic version of Brandon Spikes. No ILB in this draft hits harder, and he's adequate (not great) in coverage. Better yet, he's exemplary at defending the run, which is a dramatic weakness of ours. Plus, if the Chiefs passed on a starter-quality player at ILB here, their options become pathetic, essentially relying on DJ and Mauga to remain healthy for a full season (fat chance) which nothing behind them.

Passing on a really good talent like Grant can be mitigated, however. He'd essentially be a better version of Chris Owens, who the Chiefs could still bring back if they had to, and the secondary is far from being the weakness that ILB currently is.

I love Koyack, too, but solid backup TEs can be found anywhere. They just aren't going to be as good as Koyack, which is a sacrifice worth making if it lands us a talent like Jones.

[Direckshun]

My reasoning for Kikaha in the 3rd:

It was an extremely difficult decision to make this time around, because I had a shortlist of about 10 players to choose from.

Ultimately, the choice came down to DE/DT Marcus Hardison out of Arizona State, CB Doran Grant out of Ohio State, and this guy.

The Chiefs select Hau'oli Kikaha, OLB, Washington.

The reason this choice was so difficult is because the Chiefs likely don't need an OLB, but he absolutely was the best player available by a good degree. Grant is really good, but limited with no upside. Hardison is extremely exciting to watch, but he is a one-year wonder who will need a ****ton of work in technique and it's not even clear he can stop the run at all, which is a big deal at this point with our defense.

Kikaha is an absolute technician at the passrushing position. He comes virtually NFL-ready to play, and while he can always get stronger and sharper in his rushbacker technique, his ability to contribute to keeping the passrush aces can be immediately felt. There was no better passrusher than Kikaha the past year in the NCAA, and he did it the old fashioned way: he wasn't necessarily bigger and stronger than his opponents, he just had better technique and worked harder. Improve his strength, and he's got double-digit sack potential in the NFL, while being stout against the run. He'll need work in coverage as well, but there's no reason he can't play the "Hali" to Ford's "Houston" should the Chiefs elect to move on from both.

There were RBs, OTs, TEs, and an ILB I considered here, but the bang for my buck is absolutely too good with Kikaha, who can insure our passrush against (a.) losing Houston in 2016, or (b.) losing Hali in 2016, or (c.) Dee Ford potentially busting. DJ's left nut said, in another thread in the Lounge, that the team might as well prepare for a future without Hali and Houston. That's tragic to think of, but this would be a step in that direction.

Holes remain for this team at TE, CB, and especially ILB, but the talent at these positions is just dramatically inferior to what Kikaha brings to the table.

[Deberg_1990]

Draft Grade C-

[Easy 6]

Not a big fan of the Hardy pick, he was a slot player in college and we already have the right fit for the slot in Wilson.

Plus, don't really want an undersized guy that lacks any eye popping measurable to speak of.... I'd rather go with Ty Montgomery for a third rounder, good size at 6'0 215 and he excelled at RAC, perfect for the wco.

[Direckshun]

Hardy's a flat stud route-runner with big hands and some red zone ability. He's 5'11", he's more versatile than Wilson.

[O.city]

If you thought bowe had drop problems, wait til you see Montgomery. Pass.

And wilson and hardy can both be slot players and exist on the same squad.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by O.city

If you thought bowe had drop problems, wait til you see Montgomery. Pass.

And wilson and hardy can both be slot players and exist on the same squad.

While a player with good work ethic can correct the hands thing, lets go with that... so I'll instead take Stefon Diggs, he can probably be had in the same round.

6'0 195 with elite top end speed and the ability to make people miss... I simply do not want an undersized possession receiver, what a waste of a roster spot.