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**DaneMcCloud** · 08-21-2017, 12:10 PM

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/s...-hand-in-2017/

Patrick Mahomes might force Chiefs hand in 2017

The much-lamented quarterback class of 2017 is looking pretty good all of a sudden. Mitchell Trubisky is pushing the Bears decision-making process as much as John Fox can be pushed, Deshaun Watson is going to make Bill O'Brien at least think about his Week 1 status and, most interestingly, Patrick Mahomes has found himself in a perfect situation and is turning heads early.
Do you love Mahomes and consider him the most upside-riddled quarterback of this draft class? Congratulations! You are not actually a special snowflake. Everyone does. Mahomes has a cannon. It's unfair for Alex Smith, a genuinely nice human being who is an average-to-above average quarterback, that he finds himself once again squaring off against a young physical marvel on the depth chart. The good news for Smith is he looks really good this preseason. The bad news is so does Mahomes. Before we get to that, though, how much pressure can this guy actually put on Andy Reid? History tells us there is a good deal Mahomes could do to press Reid into playing him.

Reid waited a while to hand the starting job to the the first quarterback he ever drafted, Donovan McNabb, after taking the Syracuse product No. 2 overall in 1999. And when he finally did, in Week 10, the Eagles were out of the playoff race, sitting at 2-7. After letting McNab take his lumps in a relief role, it was time to see what the highly-drafted rookie had to offer as a full-time starter. McNabb got a rough welcome to the NFL when he made his NFL debut against the Bucs in Week 2, getting sacked six times by the eventual NFC Central champions (remember that this Bucs team was the basis for the eventual Super Bowl championship defense). In a fun twist of fate, the guy McNabb replaced as the starter was Doug Pederson, who is the current Eagles coach and former offensive coordinator for Alex Smith.

Andy Reid waited until Week 10 of Donovan McNabb's rookie season before naming him the starter. Two years later, Reid selected A.J. Feeley in the fifth round of the 2001 NFL Draft. That's not notable for Feeley being a guy who might have taken playing time, but he is another quarterback in a long list of Reid protégés who ended up being traded for a high draft pick. The point being, when Andy Reid latches onto a quarterback in the draft, people take notice. Reid went a long time between taking McNabb early and grabbing another quarterback. Again, notable. If Reid is spending high draft capital on a quarterback, there should be a belief he can win with said quarterback for a long time. He also probably thinks that quarterback is capable of winning and/or playing early. Patrick Mahomes was the 12th player drafted.

Kevin Kolb was the second quarterback taken by Reid with a high pick in his Eagles tenure. Kolb was taken out of Houston with a second-round pick in 2007 (the Eagles actually traded down out of the first round with the Cowboys who took Anthony Spencer). He didn't replace McNabb immediately, but Kolb is also a clear-cut historical marker in terms of Reid making sure he has quarterback insurance. McNabb was battling injuries during that stretch, coming off the Super Bowl loss to the Patriots, and would be gone after 2009.

That year featured a storm of controversy, too, with Michael Vick and Kolb nipping on McNabb's heels for playing time. Ultimately it was McNabb's team, but with Vick and Kolb on the roster, there were plenty of people chirping to see the other options. The backup quarterback is always the most popular guy in town, and that's been the case for Andy Reid's teams in the past.
Vick and Kolb ran the team in 2010 after McNabb left and then Kolb was traded. The "Dream Team" of 2011 followed, but it wouldn't be long before a draft pick caused trouble on the roster again. Nick Foles, taken in the third round of the 2012 NFL Draft, was firmly entrenched in Reid-style controversy within his first year. Foles started six games for Reid in 2012 and that led to serious concern about who should start in 2013, when Foles went 8-2 as a starter under Chip Kelly.

Ultimately what you see from Reid is a history of high draft picks playing early. McNabb was under center three quarters of the way through the season in his rookie year. Kolb was held at bay, but McNabb aged better than Reid expected and it still ended in McNabb being dealt to the Redskins. The Michael Vick thing was a different animal. Er, situation. Foles played quickly, starting multiple games his first year. Which brings us back to Mahomes, who has looked just absolutely tools-y this preseason. Mahomes, who played in Kliff Kingsbury's system at Texas Tech, is going to require some refinement. But he has everything you would want to see in a quarterback from a physical perspective. If you buy into Reid developing quarterbacks -- and why wouldn't you? -- Mahomes is a fascinating prospect. He has underrated speed and is strong enough too take hits and still make throws.

Mahomes is faster and stronger than just about everyone on the field. As a quarterback that is an undeniable advantage. He can shrug off blitzers but he can also deftly evade people coming at him on the rush. And if he needs to, Mahomes can whip a quick throw on short notice. All that is well and good, but the downside of Mahomes is he's not harnessed right now either. He can be, and it's easy to see Reid figuring out how. Mahomes might be a stronger, slightly slower, more twitchy version of McNabb with a better arm. Alex Smith is on notice, although he knew that coming into the preseason. The guess here, two weeks into the season, is that Smith won't lose his job as long as the Chiefs are winning.

If Kansas City falters or the offense looks flat, don't be surprised to see Mahomes. Reid's history makes it clear he is willing to run with a young talent he trusted in the draft. He believes in his quarterback development almost as much as he believes in his talent evaluation. Maybe more.

**notorious** · 08-21-2017, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Though I feel Smith does more for KC than did Dilfer for Balt, your very common expectation seems fair enough at this point.
.

Alex is better than Dilfer without question. I exaggerated.

JoeyChuckles · 08-21-2017, 05:37 PM

Ok, nobody quote that Penbrook quote from earlier. My theory is that it's an inter-dimensional post that warps us to another Chiefsplanet in a parallel universe.

**notorious** · 08-21-2017, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeyChuckles

Ok, nobody quote that Penbrook quote from earlier. My theory is that it's an inter-dimensional post that warps us to another Chiefsplanet in a parallel universe.

Maybe it's a universe in which the Chiefs won 5 Superbowls in 15 years.

penbrook · 08-21-2017, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

Maybe it's a universe in which the Chiefs won 5 Superbowls in 15 years.

It's possible!! We can be the new Patriots

Frazod · 08-21-2017, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I hope stridently for a championship due to skill.
I would revel a championship due, whether in small or large part, due to luck.
But mother**** a championship granted for a league narrative.

I like football, and I like winning. But I'm not so desperate as to play the part of the mentally challenged waterboy who the teams agree to put in at the end of a season for a fake uncontested TD.

If your opinion of Brady, Roethlisburger and Manning are accurate, there is no reason to harbor ill will to Brady, Rapes, Manning OR Alex. The only person to resent is Clark Hunt for not pushing hard enough for a feel good storyline for us with the league Gods.

Find me a $tealer$ fan who feels guilty over the refs gifting them the Super Bowl win over Seattle.

Find me a Pats fan who thinks the tuck rule wasn't fair.

Find me a Broncos fan who thinks wearing cooking spray was wrong.

While we're on the topic, find me a Colorado fan who disavows their last national championship because of the fifth down game, or a Kansas fan who thinks it was wrong they got selected to go to the Orange Bowl.

Go ahead, I'll wait.

Moral victories chug cock.

**SAUTO** · 08-21-2017, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Though I feel Smith does more for KC than did Dilfer for Balt, your very common expectation seems fair enough at this point.

More abandonment issues?

Seriously, I don't know. The way I smile at taking enjoyment from the journeys of ALL these Chiefs players? I am inclined to believe I will stay right here and become a Mahomo.

If Smith changes his mind, and stays in the League somewhere else, he's a damn fool. I will wish him well... maybe keep a secondary eye on his final efforts.. but no. I think I mainly stay a Chiefs fan, and hopefully a Mahomo.

changes his mind? You're crazy

cooper barrett · 08-21-2017, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by penbrook

"Real" playoff game? I didn't know playoff games were fake if you didn't face a great team .

I and many others do not consider a "wildcard" game a "real" playoff game.

47 years since a divisional title.

last Divisional title January 16, 1994

Here is the Chiefs playoff record since they won a Super Bowl.

red = wild card

yellow = divisional

green = conference

Score Offense Defense Expected Points
Week Day Date OT Opp Tm
2016 Playoffs
Division Sun January 15, 2017 L

2015 Playoffs
WildCard Sat January 9, 2016 W

Division Sat January 16, 2016 L

2013 Playoffs
WildCard Sat January 4, 2014 L

2010 Playoffs
WildCard Sun January 9, 2011 L

2006 Playoffs
WildCard Sat January 6, 2007 L

2003 Playoffs
Division Sun January 11, 2004 L

1997 Playoffs
Division Sun January 4, 1998 L

1995 Playoffs
Division Sun January 7, 1996 L

1994 Playoffs
WildCard Sat December 31, 1994 L

1993 Playoffs
WildCard Sat January 8, 1994 W

OT
Division Sun January 16, 1994 W

Win vs.Oilers
ConfChamp Sun January 23, 1994 L

Loss 2 Bills
1992 Playoffs
WildCard Sat January 2, 1993 L

1991 Playoffs
WildCard Sat December 28, 1991 W

Division Sun January 5, 1992 L

1990 Playoffs
WildCard Sat January 5, 1991 L

1986 Playoffs
WildCard Sun December 28, 1986 L

1971 Playoffs
Division Sat December 25, 1971 L

[B]1969 Playoffs
Division Sat December 20, 1969 W yellow smile
ConfChamp Sun January 4, 1970 W Yeah
SuperBowl Sun January 11, 1970 W Yeah WOO HOO

rico · 08-21-2017, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Though I feel Smith does more for KC than did Dilfer for Balt, your very common expectation seems fair enough at this point.

More abandonment issues?

Seriously, I don't know. The way I smile at taking enjoyment from the journeys of ALL these Chiefs players? I am inclined to believe I will stay right here and become a Mahomo.

If Smith changes his mind, and stays in the League somewhere else, he's a damn fool. I will wish him well... maybe keep a secondary eye on his final efforts.. but no. I think I mainly stay a Chiefs fan, and hopefully a Mahomo.

Yes whistle-britches...abandonment issues. I would be beside myself wallowing in sorrow if you left us.

Anyways.

Who would you say is your favorite Chief besides Alex?

Hoover · 08-21-2017, 08:34 PM

Bill Reiter from CBS radio raved about Mahomes tonight. Said KC has the best situation going and that he believes are set up the best in the division for the next five years

cooper barrett · 08-21-2017, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Butt****ing moron

Thanks for your thoughts on my comments but it is not necessary to tell me everything i need to know about you without at least a "hello"

One post closer to where I want to be....

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-21-2017, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cooper barrett

Thanks for your thoughts on my comments but it is not necessary to tell me everything i need to know about you without at least a "hello"

One post closer to where I want to be....

**** off, Mult

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-21-2017, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Being ****y about terminology is stupid, but hey tendered. What the **** ever.

Either way, none of the guys they would want to keep will be ERFA's, so the hit will more than 850k and will depend what level they want to tend each player at.

This is seriously uninformed.

Third year players aren't "tendered" like RFA's. There's ONE number for EVERY player.

It's not like tendering RNR with a 2nd round or Wilson with a 4th rounder if they're Restricted Free Agents after four years of service, with an associated Tender Number and Draft Compensation if they're signed by another team.

Jesus.

rico · 08-21-2017, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover

Bill Reiter from CBS radio raved about Mahomes tonight. Said KC has the best situation going and that he believes are set up the best in the division for the next five years

Nice.

Red Dawg · 08-21-2017, 08:41 PM

Once Mahomes has the offense down next season he will be gunning the ball all over. At this point he doesn't know where to go with it yet, set his feet and sling it.

cooper barrett · 08-21-2017, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious

Who's mult is this. You need to try harder.

What do you mean

you want to know where the orgy is

you're insulting my mental stability or

accusing me of being someone who already comments here

comments like that are not needed but if you feel you have to...

08-21-2017, 12:10 PM
DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	Patrick Mahomes Might Force Chiefs Hand In 2017 https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/s...-hand-in-2017/ Patrick Mahomes might force Chiefs hand in 2017 The much-lamented quarterback class of 2017 is looking pretty good all of a sudden. Mitchell Trubisky is pushing the Bears decision-making process as much as John Fox can be pushed, Deshaun Watson is going to make Bill O'Brien at least think about his Week 1 status and, most interestingly, Patrick Mahomes has found himself in a perfect situation and is turning heads early. Do you love Mahomes and consider him the most upside-riddled quarterback of this draft class? Congratulations! You are not actually a special snowflake. Everyone does. Mahomes has a cannon. It's unfair for Alex Smith, a genuinely nice human being who is an average-to-above average quarterback, that he finds himself once again squaring off against a young physical marvel on the depth chart. The good news for Smith is he looks really good this preseason. The bad news is so does Mahomes. Before we get to that, though, how much pressure can this guy actually put on Andy Reid? History tells us there is a good deal Mahomes could do to press Reid into playing him. Reid waited a while to hand the starting job to the the first quarterback he ever drafted, Donovan McNabb, after taking the Syracuse product No. 2 overall in 1999. And when he finally did, in Week 10, the Eagles were out of the playoff race, sitting at 2-7. After letting McNab take his lumps in a relief role, it was time to see what the highly-drafted rookie had to offer as a full-time starter. McNabb got a rough welcome to the NFL when he made his NFL debut against the Bucs in Week 2, getting sacked six times by the eventual NFC Central champions (remember that this Bucs team was the basis for the eventual Super Bowl championship defense). In a fun twist of fate, the guy McNabb replaced as the starter was Doug Pederson, who is the current Eagles coach and former offensive coordinator for Alex Smith. Andy Reid waited until Week 10 of Donovan McNabb's rookie season before naming him the starter. Two years later, Reid selected A.J. Feeley in the fifth round of the 2001 NFL Draft. That's not notable for Feeley being a guy who might have taken playing time, but he is another quarterback in a long list of Reid protégés who ended up being traded for a high draft pick. The point being, when Andy Reid latches onto a quarterback in the draft, people take notice. Reid went a long time between taking McNabb early and grabbing another quarterback. Again, notable. If Reid is spending high draft capital on a quarterback, there should be a belief he can win with said quarterback for a long time. He also probably thinks that quarterback is capable of winning and/or playing early. Patrick Mahomes was the 12th player drafted. Kevin Kolb was the second quarterback taken by Reid with a high pick in his Eagles tenure. Kolb was taken out of Houston with a second-round pick in 2007 (the Eagles actually traded down out of the first round with the Cowboys who took Anthony Spencer). He didn't replace McNabb immediately, but Kolb is also a clear-cut historical marker in terms of Reid making sure he has quarterback insurance. McNabb was battling injuries during that stretch, coming off the Super Bowl loss to the Patriots, and would be gone after 2009. That year featured a storm of controversy, too, with Michael Vick and Kolb nipping on McNabb's heels for playing time. Ultimately it was McNabb's team, but with Vick and Kolb on the roster, there were plenty of people chirping to see the other options. The backup quarterback is always the most popular guy in town, and that's been the case for Andy Reid's teams in the past. Vick and Kolb ran the team in 2010 after McNabb left and then Kolb was traded. The "Dream Team" of 2011 followed, but it wouldn't be long before a draft pick caused trouble on the roster again. Nick Foles, taken in the third round of the 2012 NFL Draft, was firmly entrenched in Reid-style controversy within his first year. Foles started six games for Reid in 2012 and that led to serious concern about who should start in 2013, when Foles went 8-2 as a starter under Chip Kelly. Ultimately what you see from Reid is a history of high draft picks playing early. McNabb was under center three quarters of the way through the season in his rookie year. Kolb was held at bay, but McNabb aged better than Reid expected and it still ended in McNabb being dealt to the Redskins. The Michael Vick thing was a different animal. Er, situation. Foles played quickly, starting multiple games his first year. Which brings us back to Mahomes, who has looked just absolutely tools-y this preseason. Mahomes, who played in Kliff Kingsbury's system at Texas Tech, is going to require some refinement. But he has everything you would want to see in a quarterback from a physical perspective. If you buy into Reid developing quarterbacks -- and why wouldn't you? -- Mahomes is a fascinating prospect. He has underrated speed and is strong enough too take hits and still make throws. Mahomes is faster and stronger than just about everyone on the field. As a quarterback that is an undeniable advantage. He can shrug off blitzers but he can also deftly evade people coming at him on the rush. And if he needs to, Mahomes can whip a quick throw on short notice. All that is well and good, but the downside of Mahomes is he's not harnessed right now either. He can be, and it's easy to see Reid figuring out how. Mahomes might be a stronger, slightly slower, more twitchy version of McNabb with a better arm. Alex Smith is on notice, although he knew that coming into the preseason. The guess here, two weeks into the season, is that Smith won't lose his job as long as the Chiefs are winning. If Kansas City falters or the offense looks flat, don't be surprised to see Mahomes. Reid's history makes it clear he is willing to run with a young talent he trusted in the draft. He believes in his quarterback development almost as much as he believes in his talent evaluation. Maybe more.
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