Chiefs Who do you MOST blame for the team's issues? - Page 9

**DaFace** · 10-11-2021, 09:23 AM

Do we need another thread to gripe about last night? Of course we do! So here's one more.

Pick an option or add your own.

Why Not? · 10-11-2021, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by KCJake

It's 100% this. The defense is so bad. So bad that there's very little room for error. Turnovers are costing us games. And am I the only one that isn't seeing this "improved offensive line" ??? Mahomes is running for his life on nearly every passing down. Just like last season

I am not really seeing it either. I guess I defer to those here that seem to study or focus on offensive line play more than I do, but they don't look really good to me.

DJ's left nut · 10-11-2021, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SupDock

Completely agree, when this mini NFL players are failing to execute, you have to think there is a systemic issue going on.

Can’t cover, can’t run stop, can’t rush the QB.

And to even buy that line of reasoning you have to presume that the roster isn't presently underperforming it's talent level.

I don't know how you can look at the regression of the secondary as well as guys on the DL like Reed and Nnadi (setting aside Clark or even the performance of Jones to this point) and say that's the case.

Yes, this unit is absolutely underperforming its talent level. Is it a top 5 talented defense? No? Top 10 even? Probably not. Is it top 20? Well yeah, and even if you don't think it is, it's not the worst defensive roster in NFL history.

And that's the performance we're getting right now. That's a real indictment on the staff.

Molitoth · 10-11-2021, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by KCJake

It's 100% this. The defense is so bad. So bad that there's very little room for error. Turnovers are costing us games. And am I the only one that isn't seeing this "improved offensive line" ??? Mahomes is running for his life on nearly every passing down. Just like last season

I think the Oline just kinda plays like the rest of the team when things are good/bad.

When your ST return guy fumbles the ball early in the game... it hurts.
When your best WR doinks a ball off his facemask for a pick-6... it hurts.
When your defense gives you little to no help and you know you can't make the mistakes listed above... it hurts.

These mental bruises will effect the people around you and that's why you see momentum swings in sports.

If you are BOWLING (haha yes... ) and your buddy has 3 strikes through the first 3 frames, and you haven't even a Spare... how hard are you going to compete through the rest of the game? I know I'm going to focus more on my beer, and come prepared for round 2.

Sometimes I think sports can be like that... you get deflated and you come back the next game fresh.

The ironic part about this post is that the Chiefs came back through the entirety of their playoff wins and Superbowl.
For some reason they have lost the confidence to do it.

Which is fine... because it's not a sustainable trait to keep playing through 3 quarters of trash football to flip a switch in the 4th.

DJ's left nut · 10-11-2021, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Why Not?

I am not really seeing it either. I guess I defer to those here that seem to study or focus on offensive line play more than I do, but they don't look really good to me.

It just depends on what version you're thinking about.

Has it improved over the atrophy riddled pile of smashed assholes that ended the season? Oh hell yes - by orders of magnitude.

Is it obviously better than the Fisher - Osemele - Reiter - Wylie - Schwartz? No, not really. It's different, but I wouldn't say it's clearly better either.

But it's early. The OL is well down my list of concerns. The talent is there, the mindset is there. That can be a good line and potentially even a great one.

Sure-Oz · 10-11-2021, 02:52 PM

Cdot going off on Veach and how he's been good at resigning Dorsey players. Doesn't appear to look at fixing multiple issues and only addresses one need each off-season. CEH looks like a bad pick too

crayzkirk · 10-11-2021, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan

The line seems better to me.

The problem is that Mahomes' pocket presence is not good.

So, are defensive coordinators making Patrick's strength a weakness? Attacking his ability to improvise by showing him what he wants to see and then taking it away?

Combine this with the lack of running game and skill players and the result is the offense is limited and predictable.

**dirk digler** · 10-11-2021, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And that's all well and good.

But even before Spags was formally hired I got a lot of excuses as to why he failed and very few demonstrations of where/when he actually succeeded. And those times he succeeded he had probably the best pass-rushing DL in the league. As I said then - I don't need to hear why a person failed at his last stop, I need to know why he'll succeed at this one.

If all he can do is be successful when he has great players...what's he actually good for? I believe I called him Gunther 2.0 at the time and to date I've seen little to change that opinion.

I do think he's actually quite good at coaching up a secondary, but when I see coverages blown time and time and time again, it makes me wonder if the message is being lost. It's unlikely to be a teaching thing because there's very little changover on the roster. Something has the coordination in the defensive backfield a far cry from where it was a season ago.

So if the message is being lost and he's mostly a product of his players anyway...well maybe it's time for a change in the messenger...

I wouldn't call him Gunther 2.0, Gunther never won anything. Spags has coached 2 SB winning defenses. Gunther also coached some of the best defenses in NFL history and didn't win. And before anyone starts blaming the Marty offenses did any of those defenses make a game winning play in the playoffs? I went to many of those playoff losses and I don't remember any.

And before anyone gets it twisted I am not defending Spags this season or any of the shitty Marty offenses. But we had great defenses back then and guys like DT didn't show up alot of the time.

Red Dawg · 10-11-2021, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Cdot going off on Veach and how he's been good at resigning Dorsey players. Doesn't appear to look at fixing multiple issues and only addresses one need each off-season. CEH looks like a bad pick too

CEH is a bad pick. RB is always a bad pick in round 1.

Red Dawg · 10-11-2021, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

I wouldn't call him Gunther 2.0, Gunther never won anything. Spags has coached 2 SB winning defenses. Gunther also coached some of the best defenses in NFL history and didn't win. And before anyone starts blaming the Marty offenses did any of those defenses make a game winning play in the playoffs? I went to many of those playoff losses and I don't remember any.

Really? Blaming the Marty defenses? If Mahomes had a Marty defense we would be damn near unbeatable.

**dirk digler** · 10-11-2021, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg

Really? Blaming the Marty defenses? If Mahomes had a Marty defense we would be damn near unbeatable.

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

And before anyone gets it twisted I am not defending Spags this season or any of the shitty Marty offenses. But we had great defenses back then and guys like DT didn't show up alot of the time.

MahomesMagic · 10-11-2021, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg

CEH is a bad pick. RB is always a bad pick in round 1.

If we had Austin Ekeler or Christian McCaffrey at RB I would have been quite happy with the pick.

If you draft a RB it better be a weapon that scares people.

CEH is not that.

**dirk digler** · 10-11-2021, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

If we had Austin Ekeler or Christian McCaffrey at RB I would have been quite happy with the pick.

If you draft a RB it better be a weapon that scares people.

CEH is not that.

So McCaffrey over Mahomes then?

ChiefsCountry · 10-11-2021, 03:05 PM

Lack of a pass rush is the main problem. Most of the defense problems is caused by this.

MahomesMagic · 10-11-2021, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

So McCaffrey over Mahomes then?

No.

Obviously not. I wanted to grab a pass-rusher the year we took CEH but if we had gotten a real weapon there no one would be complaining.

Red Dawg · 10-11-2021, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

If we had Austin Ekeler or Christian McCaffrey at RB I would have been quite happy with the pick.

If you draft a RB it better be a weapon that scares people.

CEH is not that.

Ed is already a broke dick that makes too much money. RB's don't win you shit. We won with an RB that that got cut from 3 other teams.

View Poll Results: Who do you MOST blame for the team's issues? (pick up to three)
Mahomes has regressed	21	12.35%
Our RBs are JAGs	26	15.29%
The OTs aren't holding up	8	4.71%
We have no WR2	28	16.47%
Hill can't get open against Cover 2	7	4.12%
Andy has lost his touch	21	12.35%
EB sucks at calling plays	19	11.18%
The DL just plain sucks	76	44.71%
Chris Jones should never have been moved to DE	36	21.18%
Frank Clark's salary is weighing us down	32	18.82%
We have no legit CBs	15	8.82%
Our LBs can't stop anything.	66	38.82%
Daniel Sorensen. Enough said.	61	35.88%
They refuse to play Thornhill	17	10.00%
Teams have solved Spags' defense	35	20.59%
Veach sucks	12	7.06%
Create your own adventure! (add in the thread)	13	7.65%
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