Nagy returns

[Hammock Parties]

Our savior is here

We have hired Matt Nagy as Senior Assistant/Quarterbacks Coach.

📷: AP Photo/Nam Y. Huh pic.twitter.com/QFTQQFJ21u

— Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) February 25, 2022

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15

So what does Eric Bieniemy do exactly?

Granted this article is last year and before our 2022 AFCCG meltdown,but this is from Patrick Mahomes II and talks pretty much what EB does. FWIW

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Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes: 'It amazes me' OC Eric Bieniemy isn't a head coach
Published: Jan 28, 2021 at 03:27 PM
Headshot_Author_Kevin-Patra_2020
Kevin Patra
Around the NFL Writer


Another coaching cycle has come and gone, and Eric Bieniemy remains with the Kansas City Chiefs.

Those within the building in K.C. are just as stupefied as most of the public about why Andy Reid's right-hand man for years isn't steering his own ship.

"It amazes me, honestly," Patrick Mahomes said Thursday on the Dan Patrick Show, via the New York Post. "The first year, you kind of were like, 'All right, it's just his first cycle through.' Then last year, the interviews, you're like, 'For sure he's gonna get a job.' Then this year."

The excuses for why Bieniemy isn't a head coach are thin, hollow, and easily refuted.

"If you look at his track record and the way he's able to coach us, the way he's able to lead men -- people say that, but to be able to lead a locker room of people from every different background, every different race and everything like that, and be able to be the lead of the locker room is a special talent. It's a talent, and he's able to do that," Mahomes noted.

The idea that not calling plays hinders the Chiefs OC from getting hired is worn and proven to be ridiculous. Nearly half the coaches who did get jobs this cycle didn't call plays -- Dan Campbell (Lions), David Culley (Texans), Nick Sirianni (Eagles).

"The way he's able to go about calling plays throughout the game -- I understand we have coach Reid, and coach Reid calls plays, but there's a ton of input from coach Bieniemy and he calls a ton of plays in our game plan," Mahomes said. "It just gets overlooked. I mean, who knows what it is? It's a loss for everybody else in the NFL and a gain for us. Hopefully he gets his chance, because he'll succeed at wherever he is. But if he doesn't, we're glad enough to have him back again."


Bieniemy making back-to-back Super Bowls with the Chiefs could have been an excuse for teams who didn't want to wait to make a hire. That rationale has been disproven in the past -- Matt Patricia, for one, got hired by Detroit after a Super Bowl loss in 2018.

While others get hired, Bieniemy will just keep helping the Chiefs compete for Super Bowls.

"I'm glad I have him, but I'm not so glad I have him," Reid noted. "I was really hoping he would have an opportunity to take one of these jobs."

Maybe next year. Again.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

That was the major knock on Fields coming into the season... he was coming from a system that had let a lot of guys who process the field slowly be highly successful, but if you watched him, you could see him really struggle and be indecisive and slow if his first read wasn't wide open.

It's just that Ohio State has SO much more talent than most Big 10 teams, their receivers are often wide, wide, open.

Fields' receiving core his last season at Ohio State was Olave (first round pick), Wilson (first round pick), and Jameson Williams (first round pick). And he had future NFL players at basically every other position around him.

Just a crazy, crazy amount of talent.

I don't put Fields' struggles this year on Nagy, not one bit. Bears fans are going to be disappointed with Fields still sucks this year.

Maybe if they can find a way to tailor the system to him like the Bills did with Josh Allen, it will work out... but Allen also has superior athletic traits...

I absolutely loathe the Big 10 so I can't claim to have watched him play much at college.

But it only took a handful of times watching him play for the Bears to see that he simply does not process defenses at NFL speed. Maybe he'll get there. Or like you said, maybe they can spend a couple years finding viable workarounds like they did for Allen. But man, Allen's story is a pretty extreme outlier. Very few guys come around like he did.

And for Allen I still think it was an issue of a giant dude simply not growing into his body yet. Once he figured out how all those levers worked, his mechanics just improved. Same stuff you see with tall pitchers all the time.

That's not Justin Fields. I don't see him making the same kind of leap. Especially not after coming in from a major college program (unlike Allen).

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

My favorite is all the Bears fans who think Nagy ****ed up Mitch Trubisky and Josh Fields.

Nagy didn't **** up Mitch Trubisky. His mechanics and inability to accurately throw the ball to half the field ****ed up Mitch Trubisky.

How hard is it to play defense when you can just ignore anything beyond 20 yards from LOS on an entire side of the field? When you can play single high and shift everything to one side of the field?

Not. Hard.

Nagy didn't **** up Josh Fields, either. Fields' slow eyes and lack of polish ****ed up Josh Fields.

And Nagy got a LOT out of Trubisky his second season - y'know, before the league figured out he was Derek Zoolander.

Even with all that, in Trubisky's last 3 years in Chicago he went 25-13 w/ a 90 passer rating. He's never going to approach that kind of success again in his career.

But yeah - Nagy is the reason he failed...

[dallaschiefsfan]

Originally Posted by Chieftain

With Nagy back we can kiss goodbye to any possible hope of signing Allen Robinson.

While this is a tired and dumb take, what Duncan says is correct. Chark is the guy we should be targeting.

[Sassy Squatch]

Who gives a shit about Allen Robinson anyway. Unless he was coming on a cheap 1 year there's better, younger, heathier, and cheaper options.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

Who gives a shit about Allen Robinson anyway. Unless he was coming on a cheap 1 year there's better, younger, heathier, and cheaper options.

Who is that?

[DJBILL]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Our savior is here

We have hired Matt Nagy as Senior Assistant/Quarterbacks Coach.

📷: AP Photo/Nam Y. Huh pic.twitter.com/QFTQQFJ21u

— Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) February 25, 2022

I believe my source nailed this at dinner with me last Monday night. I reported it on Wednesday in the other thread.

Remember this?

According to my source … a decision has been made … but he is not privy to it as of Monday night. My other sources are dry on this issue too. Upper echelon is holding their cards close. But either way my Monday night guy believes that Nagy will be back next year in some capacity no matter what happens … and whatever is coming … will be announced in the next day or two.


And this?

My source’s last tidbit to me was … “that IF … the recent OC WAS retained for some reason … changes and concessions would have to be made on his part to continue on in that capacity". He would also have some fence mending to do. I’m told those clauses were agreeable to him.


Food for thought ... Sean McVay has STILL not committed to coaching this year per Rams Wire ...

https://theramswire.usatoday.com/202...on-fox-target/

You might want to keep an open mind here guys.

IF ... McVay steps down for 18 MILLION plus a year ... I'm pretty sure who replaces him.

And if EB has signed his contract we get two 3rd round draft choices ...

And our new OC is already on our staff.

Just sayin ... Anything's possible in the big bad NFL.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Who is that?

Deeejaay Chark due due duedue duedue DJ Chark!

[jallmon]

Originally Posted by ChiTown

You know what? I think I like the way you spelled that. It seems to make more sense to me that way.

I'm going to go ahead an adopt that it my writing style. Thanks mutch!

Yes, showed it to my wife. Mutch rhymes with Dutch. Now I'll never be able to spell mutch correctly again.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by DJBILL

I believe my source nailed this at dinner with me last Monday night. I reported it on Wednesday in the other thread.

Remember this?

According to my source … a decision has been made … but he is not privy to it as of Monday night. My other sources are dry on this issue too. Upper echelon is holding their cards close. But either way my Monday night guy believes that Nagy will be back next year in some capacity no matter what happens … and whatever is coming … will be announced in the next day or two.


And this?

My source’s last tidbit to me was … “that IF … the recent OC WAS retained for some reason … changes and concessions would have to be made on his part to continue on in that capacity". He would also have some fence mending to do. I’m told those clauses were agreeable to him.


Food for thought ... Sean McVay has STILL not committed to coaching this year per Rams Wire ...

https://theramswire.usatoday.com/202...on-fox-target/

You might want to keep an open mind here guys.

IF ... McVay steps down for 18 MILLION plus a year ... I'm pretty sure who replaces him.

And if EB has signed his contract we get two 3rd round draft choices ...

And our new OC is already on our staff.

Just sayin ... Anything's possible in the big bad NFL.

Take this reeruned garbage to another thread, Clay Sr.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Who is that?

Ideally DJ Chark since he would probably beast AND be cost effective but if we're shelling out top tier money I'd just go for the biggest fish in the pond and that's Adams. Since there's no way that actually happens I'd sooner just sign one of the younger guys like Gallup or Godwin coming off knee injuries and hope we could knock the AAV down a couple million in doing so. Wouldn't be upset with Mike Williams either although I think the Chargers just keep him.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by DJBILL

I believe my source nailed this at dinner with me last Monday night. I reported it on Wednesday in the other thread.

Remember this?

According to my source … a decision has been made … but he is not privy to it as of Monday night. My other sources are dry on this issue too. Upper echelon is holding their cards close. But either way my Monday night **** buddy believes that Nagy will be back next year in some capacity no matter what happens … and whatever is coming … will be announced in the next day or two.


And this?

My source’s last tidbit to me was … “that IF … the recent OC WAS retained for some reason … changes and concessions would have to be made on his part to continue on in that capacity". He would also have some fence mending to do. I’m told those clauses were agreeable to him.


Food for thought ... Sean McVay has STILL not committed to coaching this year per Rams Wire ...

https://theramswire.usatoday.com/202...on-fox-target/

You might want to keep an open mind here guys.

IF ... McVay steps down for 18 MILLION plus a year ... I'm pretty sure who replaces him.

And if EB has signed his contract we get two 3rd round draft choices ...

And our new OC is already on our staff.

Just sayin ... Anything's possible in the big bad NFL.

You have no credibility and nobody gives a **** what you or Clayanus thinks.

[jallmon]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

Lovie Smith? Who was the last successful HC in Chicago?

Let's not act like Chicago is a cakewalk job...

Ditka

[Rasputin]

Awe DJBILL did I hurt your feelings so bad to down thumb me

[ThyKingdomCome15]

Originally Posted by Rasputin

Granted this article is last year and before our 2022 AFCCG meltdown,but this is from Patrick Mahomes II and talks pretty much what EB does. FWIW

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Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes: 'It amazes me' OC Eric Bieniemy isn't a head coach
Published: Jan 28, 2021 at 03:27 PM
Headshot_Author_Kevin-Patra_2020
Kevin Patra
Around the NFL Writer


Another coaching cycle has come and gone, and Eric Bieniemy remains with the Kansas City Chiefs.

Those within the building in K.C. are just as stupefied as most of the public about why Andy Reid's right-hand man for years isn't steering his own ship.

"It amazes me, honestly," Patrick Mahomes said Thursday on the Dan Patrick Show, via the New York Post. "The first year, you kind of were like, 'All right, it's just his first cycle through.' Then last year, the interviews, you're like, 'For sure he's gonna get a job.' Then this year."

The excuses for why Bieniemy isn't a head coach are thin, hollow, and easily refuted.

"If you look at his track record and the way he's able to coach us, the way he's able to lead men -- people say that, but to be able to lead a locker room of people from every different background, every different race and everything like that, and be able to be the lead of the locker room is a special talent. It's a talent, and he's able to do that," Mahomes noted.

The idea that not calling plays hinders the Chiefs OC from getting hired is worn and proven to be ridiculous. Nearly half the coaches who did get jobs this cycle didn't call plays -- Dan Campbell (Lions), David Culley (Texans), Nick Sirianni (Eagles).

"The way he's able to go about calling plays throughout the game -- I understand we have coach Reid, and coach Reid calls plays, but there's a ton of input from coach Bieniemy and he calls a ton of plays in our game plan," Mahomes said. "It just gets overlooked. I mean, who knows what it is? It's a loss for everybody else in the NFL and a gain for us. Hopefully he gets his chance, because he'll succeed at wherever he is. But if he doesn't, we're glad enough to have him back again."


Bieniemy making back-to-back Super Bowls with the Chiefs could have been an excuse for teams who didn't want to wait to make a hire. That rationale has been disproven in the past -- Matt Patricia, for one, got hired by Detroit after a Super Bowl loss in 2018.

While others get hired, Bieniemy will just keep helping the Chiefs compete for Super Bowls.

"I'm glad I have him, but I'm not so glad I have him," Reid noted. "I was really hoping he would have an opportunity to take one of these jobs."

Maybe next year. Again.

Thanks for sharing that. As the old saying goes, actions speak louder than words. They did bring him back after all.