2023 Cap Discussion

[Dante84]

If we were to absolutely max out all restructures, we would have almost $119M in cap space according to Over The Cap.

Effective Cap Space: $8,449,166

Simple Restructure: $67,070,657
Possible Cap Space: $75,519,823

Maximum Restructure: $110,459,052
Possible Cap Space: $118,908,218

According to @Jason_OTC, the #Chiefs could have $118,908,218 in cap space in 2023, with maximum restructures.

That would be the fourth-most cap space if every team maximized their restructures. #InVeachWeTrust pic.twitter.com/0ezsiCNhFc

— Jacob Milham (@JMilTheHam) November 3, 2022

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

I would do that in a heartbeat. Go into the draft and pick another WR in the first 3 rounds and roll into 2023 with:

Juju
MVS
Toney
Moore
Rookie

In a 'heartbeat'? No, I wouldn't.

It's not a deal I'd be super stoked to offer given JJSS injury history and the fact that he still appears to have a fungible skill-set to me.

But would I grit my teeth and take the deal? Yeah, probably. We're gonna want to maintain a little stability.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by RunKC

If you take out Tyreek’s low cap hit this year and his ballooned cap hit in the last year of his contract, you’ve got the meat of his contract with is 3 years.

2023-$31.2 million
2024-$24.8 million
2025-$28 million

That’s an average of $28 million for those 3 years. That’s basically a QB contract. As of right now Tyreek’s $28 million average would be the 11th highest QB contract in 2024.

With Mahomes contract that isn’t realistic. In that same timeframe Mahomes contract averages $45.7 million so you’re looking at almost $74 million for 2 players.

And yes I know Patrick has the contract set up for cap relief but Clark isn’t cutting checks for Patrick every year.

It wasn’t feasible or responsible

That's....not how it works....at all.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

In a 'heartbeat'? No, I wouldn't.

It's not a deal I'd be super stoked to offer given JJSS injury history and the fact that he still appears to have a fungible skill-set to me.

But would I grit my teeth and take the deal? Yeah, probably. We're gonna want to maintain a little stability.

I think continuity is going to come at a price. We can't go into every offseason replacing 3/4 of our receiving group. Plus Juju's skillset is going to help Kelce continue his career IMO.

[raybec 4]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Philosophy is one thing - math is another altogether.

They were willing to pay Tyreek until the Adams trade/contract rat-****ed the market. JJSS at 75% of what Hill is getting may be in their price range at that point.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I also don't see how, unless you see a TON of improvement from Moore over the course of this season, you can possibly go into next year with a 1-2-3 of MVS - Moore - Toney. That's a pile of shit.

They're gonna pay for somebody. And sooner or later you can't go full GB and just keep cycling out Mahomes weapons. You need a throughput somewhere.

They have to find some continuity in their price range. I don't care if Juju is the guy but they're going to have to find someone they can give a multi year deal to and ride with them.

[raybec 4]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

I think continuity is going to come at a price. We can't go into every offseason replacing 3/4 of our receiving group. Plus Juju's skillset is going to help Kelce continue his career IMO.

I really need to read all the responses before formulating one from an hour ago

[The Franchise]

I think if you keep Juju around...plus having Toney and Moore in the fold? That gives you the opportunity to swing at the fences for that outside WR who has the potential to turn into a WR1.

[OKchiefs]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

I think if you keep Juju around...plus having Toney and Moore in the fold? That gives you the opportunity to swing at the fences for that outside WR who has the potential to turn into a WR1.

You mean they can maybe finally quit drafting midgets at wide receiver? I’m down with that.

[O.city]

One thing to think about is that continuity on offense seems to really carry year to year vs defensively.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Philosophy is one thing - math is another altogether.

They were willing to pay Tyreek until the Adams trade/contract rat-****ed the market. JJSS at 75% of what Hill is getting may be in their price range at that point.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I also don't see how, unless you see a TON of improvement from Moore over the course of this season, you can possibly go into next year with a 1-2-3 of MVS - Moore - Toney. That's a pile of shit.

They're gonna pay for somebody. And sooner or later you can't go full GB and just keep cycling out Mahomes weapons. You need a throughput somewhere.

I think the Chiefs want to sign Juju long term, but they definitely have a set price and they won't go above it. Travis Kelce being the same ****ing beast that he is this year helps them as well, since he doesnt seem to have declined at all this year. They could go into next year feeling fine without JJSS returning, because they have Kelce as basically our #1, MVS has shown that he can be at least half way decent. Now all they have to do is hope that Moore or Toney develop into solid WR and get a guy in FA and the draft. If Kelce had shown signs of moderate decline, then you would have to resign JJSS.

I'd also take Mecole on a ~$10 mil/yr contract. You should be able to get him on the same deal as MVS.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

I think continuity is going to come at a price. We can't go into every offseason replacing 3/4 of our receiving group. Plus Juju's skillset is going to help Kelce continue his career IMO.

I haven't been in favor of keeping JuJu around because I think he's gonna cost more than most people think. I prefer the churn and burn strategy of one year 'prove it' guys looking to get paid.

That said, this is the first reason I've seen that makes me give some pause to that mindset. Maybe he is worth paying a little more to (not $20 mil. + mind you) to help preserve Kelce and his effectiveness longer. I had not really considered that.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

I think continuity is going to come at a price. We can't go into every offseason replacing 3/4 of our receiving group. Plus Juju's skillset is going to help Kelce continue his career IMO.

I'm not the biggest expert on X's and O's, so this is a question and not me saying you're wrong.

Why is this the case? Isn't JJSS more of a possession receiver and not a burner/big time deep threat? If so wouldn't that mean he's running similar routes to Kelce, so that keeps whoever is defending him in the same area as Kelce? Wouldn't a burner help Kelce more?

Honestly just curious. TIA!

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

I'm not the biggest expert on X's and O's, so this is a question and not me saying you're wrong.

Why is this the case? Isn't JJSS more of a possession receiver and not a burner/big time deep threat? If so wouldn't that mean he's running similar routes to Kelce, so that keeps whoever is defending him in the same area as Kelce? Wouldn't a burner help Kelce more?

Honestly just curious. TIA!

While true....you also want someone to help alleviate some of that pressure over the middle of the field. You can play Juju and Kelce off of each other by crossing them or having them split to different parts of the field. You can also give Kelce a breather and not worry about missing the short to intermediate stuff that he does.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

While true....you also want someone to help alleviate some of that pressure over the middle of the field. You can play Juju and Kelce off of each other by crossing them or having them split to different parts of the field. You can also give Kelce a breather and not worry about missing the short to intermediate stuff that he does.

Makes sense thanks!

[oldman]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

I'd also take Mecole on a ~$10 mil/yr contract. You should be able to get him on the same deal as MVS.

Surely you jest.

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Isn't JJSS more of a possession receiver and not a burner/big time deep threat? If so wouldn't that mean he's running similar routes to Kelce, so that keeps whoever is defending him in the same area as Kelce? Wouldn't a burner help Kelce more?

The football field is 53 1/3 yards wide and 100 (120 if you count the endzones) yards long, so I think Kelce and Juju can stay out of each other's way. We have speed in other guys besides Hardman, who seems to lose his way quite often.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

I'm not the biggest expert on X's and O's, so this is a question and not me saying you're wrong.

Why is this the case? Isn't JJSS more of a possession receiver and not a burner/big time deep threat? If so wouldn't that mean he's running similar routes to Kelce, so that keeps whoever is defending him in the same area as Kelce? Wouldn't a burner help Kelce more?

Honestly just curious. TIA!

He’s pretty much a small TE out there that is big enough to out muscle DB’s and fast enough to easily out run LB’s. He’s a RB when he has the ball if you remember him breaking multiple arm tackles in SF.

Kelce is constantly doubled by a LB and DB bc he’s nearly impossible to guard. Look at the replay of this play:

#Chiefs WR Juju Smith-Schuster set season highs in catches (7) & rec. yards (124) & had TD catch in Week 7. Had 9 catches for 85 yards in his last game vs. Ten. (10/25/20 w/ Pit.). @ChiefsFocus #ChiefsKingdom #TENvsKC pic.twitter.com/OGqTvSPYYS

— Chiefs Kingdom (@ChiefsFan4Lyfe) November 2, 2022

Andy uses Juju to manipulate that in his play design. When you have 2 guys capable of destroying the middle of the field then it’s hard to cover both.

Andy lined them up next to each other. If you look to JuJu’s left, Kelce is drawing all the coverage of the LB and safety leaving Juju wide open. Beautiful execution and play design

Tl;dr: multiple YAC monsters who are great route runners are hard to cover in the middle of the field, especially with a great play designer