The #Chiefs have agreed to terms with WR Richie James

[Mr_Tomahawk]

https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/sta...076715009?s=20

The #Chiefs have agreed to terms with WR Richie James, source says. After a breakout season with the #Giants (57 catches for 569 yards and 4 TDs), James becomes a target for Patrick Mahomes in Kansas City.

— Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) April 7, 2023

[DenverChief]

Serious question - who was the last team to win a SB without a “household” name at WR. Has to be like the Ravens or the Bucs…

[Bump]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

Serious question - who was the last team to win a SB without a “household” name at WR. Has to be like the Ravens or the Bucs…

the Chiefs just won it without a 1,000 yard receiver.

Eagles won it without a 1,000 yard receiver


JuJu is a 'household name' I guess. But neither of those teams had a 1,000 yard receiver that season.

[DenverChief]

57 - JJSS
56 - OBJ/Kupp
55 - Antonio Brown/Mike Evans
54- Tyreek/Watkins
53 - Edelman
52 - Agholor/Jeffries
51 - Amendola/Edleman
50 - Emmanuel Sanders
49 - Amendola/Edelman
48 - Baldwin/Tate
47 - Boldin/Torrey Smith
46 - Victor Cruz/Hakeem Nicks *
45 - Jennings/Nelson
44 - Marques Colston/Lance Moore/Devery Henderson**

* one of those two - no name WRs

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by Bump

the Chiefs just won it without a 1,000 yard receiver.

Eagles won it without a 1,000 yard receiver


JuJu is a 'household name' I guess. But neither of those teams had a 1,000 yard receiver that season.

Yeah - doesn’t have to be a 1000 yard receiver - but someone that has done that or made a name for themselves. I think the Giants or the Saints are the right answer.

[AusChief]

Weird signing for mine

Hardman is a better gadget guy, better punt and kick returner, quicker, younger, just as good a receiver, and playing on a similar 1 year deal. People forget that 4 of his 7 season games were terrific for us this year.

I know which “body” I’d rather have on the squad

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by AusChief

Weird signing for mine

Hardman is a better gadget guy, better punt and kick returner, quicker, younger, just as good a receiver, and playing on a similar 1 year deal. People forget that 4 of his 7 season games were terrific for us this year.

I know which “body” I’d rather have on the squad

I really don't think we're paying James 6 million to play this year.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I really don't think we're paying James 6 million to play this year.

Don't we only have 4 mil in cap?

[AussieChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by AusChief

Weird signing for mine

Hardman is a better gadget guy, better punt and kick returner, quicker, younger, just as good a receiver, and playing on a similar 1 year deal. People forget that 4 of his 7 season games were terrific for us this year.

I know which “body” I’d rather have on the squad

Yeah I don't think the idea is that he replaces Hardman.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Don't we only have 4 mil in cap?

Something like that, which is why I found the comment that it's a "similar deal" to be unrealistic. James replaces much of what Hardman could do for much less money.

[FlaChief58]

He must feel like he just hit the lottery. He went from catching lame ducks from a pinto to
catching dimes from a Lamborghini

[hometeam]

What did the five fingers say to the ball???


CATCH!

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

Yeah - doesn’t have to be a 1000 yard receiver - but someone that has done that or made a name for themselves. I think the Giants or the Saints are the right answer.

Household name? Weird analysis.

They win a SB with Toney and Skyy AGAIN and they'll be well known.

Just because they're young and haven't put up numbers YET doesn't mean they're not about to.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Look, in probability/statistics its 'subtract both the lowest/highest (outlier) values, then add then divide by (number of seasons) in the case, to find the average. I didn't make up the rules, some mathematician a thousand years ago did. That's just how it works.

No matter you want to cut it, his worst season and his best season can't be included.

You really can't apply probabilities/statistics to football players as if they were inaninmate objects. Literally EVERYTHING is a variable that can't be accounted for.

Young players without past production can't be predicted with math that doesn't exist.

Players moving from one team to a new one is entirely new situation across the board.

Moving from Daniel Jones to Patrick Mahomes, for example. Big difference.

James having three seasons in San Fran that were unproductive aren't really relevant. Rookie year plus two years with revolving QB's and Samuel and Aiyuk in front of him.

Context is almost everything in the NFL. This is a big part of why 'sure fire first rounders' don't always become stars. Sometimes it's on them, sometimes it's the situation/coaching staff/team, etc.

You can't just put it in a math blender like it's straight science, because it's not. Or it could be, if you could figure out how to put numbers on Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes and the championship organization effects.

So much like last year, with trying to project Juju, the best way is to assume they'll be somewhere in the ballpark of their best year as long as they are young and healthy enough not to be on the decline physically.

Barring injury, I think Andy Reid is going to get an offensive player's best football as long as they are still in their physical prime. The wild card in there is how well they can digest a very complicated scheme.

and in James' case, he's got a head start after a season with Kafka (and we saw Toney able to contribute more early than expected-certainly because of that).

So I would estimate that if James were to get enough targets here, he would meet or exceed last year's due to an improvement at every parameter around him.

So that's my argument.

Also-I don't think he necessarily will get those targets unless Toney or Skyy misses a lot of time. But it's nice to know that your WR4 is capable.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by AusChief

Weird signing for mine

Hardman is a better gadget guy, better punt and kick returner, quicker, younger, just as good a receiver, and playing on a similar 1 year deal. People forget that 4 of his 7 season games were terrific for us this year.

I know which “body” I’d rather have on the squad

I don't think it matters in terms of direct one for one replacement of any player specifically.

I DO think we're missing a bigger body in the WR corps, but it's also possible that Andy doesn't care about that and intends to just pepper a defense with shiftiness as the primary skillset while MVS takes the top off.

Or it could mean that Veach is looking at this draft and seeing a lot of guys like Tillman, Perry, Mingo that can be had in the second or third round and figuring that's the WR type to grab in this particular draft.

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Household name? Weird analysis.

They win a SB with Toney and Skyy AGAIN and they'll be well known.

Just because they're young and haven't put up numbers YET doesn't mean they're not about to.

Calm tha Tatas brah. I’m was simply asking a question. If you look at my list only two teams won it with WRs that you can legitimately say “who?” But I agree Toney or Skyy could break out. It’s simply a question of has it been done before. I was really looking for another Patrick record to break. Stop reading so deep