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Old 07-31-2024, 03:04 PM   #1
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They didn't let Sneed walk. They tagged and traded him.
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Old 07-31-2024, 03:07 PM   #2
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They didn't let Sneed walk. They tagged and traded him.
Eh - they got roughly the return of a comp pick.

They effectively took the 'comp pick calculator' out of the equation by making the move with TN. They didn't exactly let him walk but it was pretty damn close.
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Old 07-31-2024, 03:25 PM   #3
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Eh - they got roughly the return of a comp pick.

They effectively took the 'comp pick calculator' out of the equation by making the move with TN. They didn't exactly let him walk but it was pretty damn close.
A year early, but point stands.
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Old 07-31-2024, 04:12 PM   #4
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A year early, but point stands.
They didn't get it a year early; they got the 3rd in 2025 (the same as they would've gotten the comp pick)
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Old 07-31-2024, 03:08 PM   #5
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They didn't let Sneed walk. They tagged and traded him.
They didn't resign him...which was my point.
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If Nourzad and Morris step in for Thuney & Smith and there's no drop off.... that would be pretty spectacular.

Then if a Tackle goes down, Morris slides over and you have Hanson, Niang or Caliendo step in if they prove themselves worthy. You'd likely also have a veteran OT from FA somewhere in there as well.
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If Nourzad and Morris step in for Thuney & Smith and there's no drop off.... that would be pretty spectacular.

Then if a Tackle goes down, Morris slides over and you have Hanson, Niang or Caliendo step in if they prove themselves worthy. You'd likely also have a veteran OT from FA somewhere in there as well.
I think it's still smart to always be paying at least one of the interior guys. Maybe if Sua turns into an incredible LT, then you just "shift" that chunk of cap cash over to him and go with some younger guys on the interior who will be helped along similar to the way Thuney is probably going to help Sua/Morris out this year.
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Unless it's just coach speak...Spagnuolo runs a very complicated scheme and Bolton is the on field facilitator.

It's seems it wouldn't be that easy to just plug-and-play a replacement...I'd pick a LB over a center everytime if I had to make a decision....if they were both pro-bowl level players.

I guess it'll just depend on how the staff prioritizes their importance...they know what each position requires schematically.

If they extend Creed...and let Bolton walk, it wasn't done flippantly.
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Unless it's just coach speak...Spagnuolo runs a very complicated scheme and Bolton is the on field facilitator.

It's seems it wouldn't be that easy to just plug-and play a replacement...I'd pick a LB over a center everytime if I had to make a decision....if they were both pro-bowl level players.

I guess it'll just depend on how the staff prioritizes their importance...they know what each position requires schematically.
I just can’t bring myself to pay $18+ million a season for a guy who’s average in coverage.

If we can get him back at $12-14 million I’d listen. But when he went down last year and Tranquil stepped in, we didn’t see much drop off.
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I just can’t bring myself to pay $18+ million a season for a guy who’s average in coverage.

If we can get him back at $12-14 million I’d listen. But when he went down last year and Tranquil stepped in, we didn’t see much drop off.
Obviously, the coach's know the finer details of that substitution....It did seem it took a long time to finally find a good MLB..where as KC has had a few decent centers.

Butker should get payed whatever he wants...ask the Bills about the importance of a kicker...they can tank your entire season...as we all know too. *Cough
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I just can’t bring myself to pay $18+ million a season for a guy who’s average in coverage.

If we can get him back at $12-14 million I’d listen. But when he went down last year and Tranquil stepped in, we didn’t see much drop off.
I just remember the days of Nieman and Hitchens. Yuck. Bolton really turned that around. Plus he's Spag's guy.
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I just remember the days of Nieman and Hitchens. Yuck. Bolton really turned that around. Plus he's Spag's guy.
and Reggie Ragland. Our linebackers were horrible until veach fixed that position with a couple of 2nd round picks and then a great cheap FA signing. Don't sleep on Leo Chenal either!
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I just remember the days of Nieman and Hitchens. Yuck. Bolton really turned that around. Plus he's Spag's guy.
It's worth pointing out, however, that we did win a Super Bowl with that pair.

That's not to say they're good players but rather than the LBs aren't as critical to the defense as the DL and secondary. I mean look at how little value they placed on Gay in free agency -- they wouldn't give him $3 million to come back.

Now it's also worth pointing out that the team basically did nothing at the LB position to backfill for Bolton. And by and large, the team does seem to target a replacement for guys the year before they anticipate losing them.

I think they'll make a run at Bolton, I just think they'll have to pull the chute on it. I don't think they'll go as high for him as the market is going to support. ESPECIALLY if Hollywood proves to be a good fit and they look to bring him back.
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It's worth pointing out, however, that we did win a Super Bowl with that pair.

That's not to say they're good players but rather than the LBs aren't as critical to the defense as the DL and secondary. I mean look at how little value they placed on Gay in free agency -- they wouldn't give him $3 million to come back.

Now it's also worth pointing out that the team basically did nothing at the LB position to backfill for Bolton. And by and large, the team does seem to target a replacement for guys the year before they anticipate losing them.

I think they'll make a run at Bolton, I just think they'll have to pull the chute on it. I don't think they'll go as high for him as the market is going to support. ESPECIALLY if Hollywood proves to be a good fit and they look to bring him back.
You're not wrong, we did win a SB with them. But 2020 and 2021 were dark days for that defense, and they were very much part of it. They were slow, they couldn't cover, they could barely wrap up for a tackle. The only reason the stupid ass "keep Mahomes off the field, chew clock" strategy was even viable was because the LB corps allowed it, we were getting gashed. Did we overcome it the majority of the time? Totally. But that doesn't excuse how awful they were.

Is Bolton the answer and we need to pay him? Not necessarily, although I really would love to keep him. But if they move on from him for one reason or another, ill be okay with it. Veach has obviously earned himself plenty of leeway.

EDIT: I forgot how they responded when fans started boo'ing/calling out the defense that 2021 year. One of them said something to the effect of "fans should be more grateful, we got you guys a ring". They were totally content resting on their laurels, not even acknowledging how bad they were playing. So if I'm sour about LB play and I dont want it to go back to those days, this is partially why.
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