***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Do you even READ the links you post? This article says no such thing.

From the very first paragraph:

The Food and Drug Administration on Sunday issued an emergency use authorization for hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine, decades-old malaria drugs championed by President Donald Trump for coronavirus treatment despite scant evidence.

Yeah got my hopes up.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

Sugar Fish restaurant evidently opened for the weekend. That’s the kind of stuff that will keep this going for even longer.

Since we can't hire contractors due to the virus, I had to remove and replace a faucet and drain in one of our bathrooms. We ordered the faucet about 10 days ago on Amazon but it just arrived on Friday and once I opened the box and laid it all out, the only way I could install it was to go to Home Depot in Hollywood, which is #1 on my list of Most Hated Places in Hollywood.

I wore an N95 mask and sterile medical gloves (we had two boxes before the outbreak) and when I arrived, the parking lot was packed on the bottom level and most of the top level. The line trailed around the block.

But instead of normal Social Distancing, these people were mostly all up close, talking in groups, etc. Once I got in line, I had to put my arm up and fully extend it to keep people at arm's length.

If other retailers around town are as lax with the orders, it just makes wonder "Why are we even doing this?".

It was a drag.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by TLO

Why does it think Missouri will have 3000 deaths?? That's more than most of the other states projections.

Someone smarter than me please explain.

[wazu]

New cases dropped, along with a massive dip in new deaths today. Good news!

[Kidd Lex]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Except it's false.

Again.

And again.

And again.



IT'S FALSE

There’s a lot of misinformation I’ll give you that, and that link was shit for good information. Throw this into your twitter search function: hydroxychloroquine azithromycin

The last week some positive results have been reported that I believe aren’t false. Take a look and if you need help finding ones you trust I’ll circle back and try to help out.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

Yeah got my hopes up.

It's really annoying.


IMO, the Mods Sticky the information.

Not one country has completed their clinical trials as of tonight. The FDA issued an emergency use authorization just today. New York had been authorized but the rest of the country weren't allowed to even try it.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by The PMII Hypothesis

The last week some positive results have been reported that I believe aren’t false. Take a look and if you need help finding ones you trust I’ll circle back and try to help out.

They're all false or fake.

Again, not even one country has completed their clinical trials and it was just authorized today for use outside of New York, which had already been authorized to try in emergency cases only.

No other doctors outside of New York could even try it before today.

[neech]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Do you even READ the links you post? This article says no such thing.

From the very first paragraph:

The Food and Drug Administration on Sunday issued an emergency use authorization for hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine, decades-old malaria drugs championed by President Donald Trump for coronavirus treatment despite scant evidence.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Other places were trying it because I know of pharmacists that have filled HCQ+Azithromycin scripts.

[ARROW2]

Headlines:

First baby dies after testing positive



Me actually reading article:

Investigation is ongoing as to the the cause of death




WTF?!!!


Sensationalism....

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

They're all false or fake.

Again, not even one country has completed their clinical trials and it was just authorized today for use outside of New York, which had already been authorized to try in emergency cases only.

No other doctors outside of New York could even try it before today.

That last part isn’t true. I know for a fact a hospital here started giving these drugs earlier this week on a trial basis.

[Kidd Lex]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

They're all false or fake.

Again, not even one country has completed their clinical trials and it was just authorized today for use outside of New York, which had already been authorized to try in emergency cases only.

No other doctors outside of New York could even try it before today.

Saying they are all false or fake isn’t as accurate as saying some are incomplete, rushed, or awaiting final results. That’s to be expected given the high stakes atmosphere around Covid-19. The lack of a control group is the largest concern regarding the French study. I look forward to seeing the results of the NY trial, and am hopeful that this is another avenue to help the fight against this pandemic.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/an-upda...nt-11585509827 (paywall - not sure how to get around it, but I was able to and it was a very good and hopeful read)

Conclusion of linked article:

“For my entire career, I have taken a conservative approach to medicine. I don’t want to give false or premature hope. All of this is subject to further refinement as more information arrives. But likewise I can’t ignore the available evidence. This appears to be the best widely available option for treating Covid-19 and not merely easing the suffering from the disease. It would be irresponsible not to pursue this option aggressively.“

Dr. Colyer is a practicing physician. He served as governor of Kansas, 2018-19.

Written and updated today.

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Since we can't hire contractors due to the virus, I had to remove and replace a faucet and drain in one of our bathrooms. We ordered the faucet about 10 days ago on Amazon but it just arrived on Friday and once I opened the box and laid it all out, the only way I could install it was to go to Home Depot in Hollywood, which is #1 on my list of Most Hated Places in Hollywood.

I wore an N95 mask and sterile medical gloves (we had two boxes before the outbreak) and when I arrived, the parking lot was packed on the bottom level and most of the top level. The line trailed around the block.

But instead of normal Social Distancing, these people were mostly all up close, talking in groups, etc. Once I got in line, I had to put my arm up and fully extend it to keep people at arm's length.

If other retailers around town are as lax with the orders, it just makes wonder "Why are we even doing this?".

It was a drag.

I don’t get it either.

Stay home. Kind of staying home helps, but I’m not sure why everyone out here believes it’s okay to do the exact opposite of what they’re telling us to do.

[eDave]

Safeway has cat litter.

[O.city]

So I had to venture out of the house tonight, first time I’ve left since Thursday. Guy got my info from someone and got in touch with me. Severe toothache only gets better when he has ice water in his mouth.

After doing yard work and cutting limbs all day I thought “yay now I get to go do a root canal or pull this guys tooth” . But in that moment I caught myself and said “self, this dude is in a world of pain and you can help him, get over your shit and get off your ass”

So met him at the office, took and X-ray, numbed him up and took the tooth out. He has insurance so I just took his card and told him not to worry about the co pay or paying anything, if insurance pays on it great. If not, eh, it cost me about 2 dollars to go do it so no big deal. Guy broke down into tears after because he had been in pain over the weekend and was so relieved to have it over with.

Anyway We talk for a minute or two from about 10 feet apart and go on our separate way.

Point of the story, driving their Springfield to my office, it was surreal. Ghost town and nothing is open and highways are dead. Weird feeling