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Well, folks, it has happened. The Royals stand triumphant, atop the heap of MLB.

In this thread, we'll track the action as Dayton Moore continues The Process and attempts to defend the long-awaited title.

Before we get to the meet of it, let's take a minute to reflect ... and say "I'm Sorry" to Dayton Moore.

We gave you hell. Many of us called for your head. But you were right. You got it done. Congratulations. Mea culpa.

Now, let's talk about the offseason:

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The Royals will have a few priorities: Corner OF (x2) and 1 SP, IMO. The rest of the core is solid and will need little tweaking. Looking at the increase in ticket sales, merchandising, concessions, parking, etc., I think it's fair to assume the Royals GROSSED $100 million more this season, or close to it. That gives Glass and Dayton Moore much more flexibility on payroll for 2016 (hopefully).

First order of business will be gauging the Alex Gordon market. If he can be resigned for 4-5 years at around $75-80 million total, it would be hard for KC to pass on that. He's still an above-average corner OF bat, and the Royals will need to bring in at least one proven guy to play in a corner if Gordon walks... and the whole market looks a lot like Alex - guys in their early 30s looking for huge, final contracts.

Second order of business: Make a decision on Zobrist. It sounds like KC will pursue him aggressively. At 34, he's at risk of declining in a big way after a few years. If they could find someone to take on Omar Infante for eating 1/2 of his deal, that would be a great start to things.

If they decide not to spend on Zobrist, KC will need to cobble together some sort of plan for 2B/RF that involves some cheaper options like Orlando, Colon, Dyson, etc.

I could see them deciding his ability to provide great insurance at either 2B or in RF is worth the risk.

Third order of business: Add depth to the rotation with a FA SP. Duffy, Ventura, Volquez and Medlen are locks for 4 spots, it seems. Kyle Zimmer may finally be ready to make a MLB impact, but his innings will be limited. That means KC needs insurance. Will it kill two birds with one stone (and insure against Duffy/Ventura regression) by signing a more top-tier guy? Or does Moore look to Chris Young/someone like him for this depth?

Personally, I think Mike Leake would be a great fit with KC's defense and park, and I know Moore has long coveted him. He's still young - just 28 - and has succeeded in bandbox Cincinnati for years.

Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Marco Estrada, and Justin Masterson are some other names that may pique interest (a little further down the list).

Other than that, I don't think KC makes any major moves. Greg Holland will be interesting to observe, as they have one more year of control of him, and he will obviously miss all of that season. I wouldn't be surprised to see a pre-arbitration deal that pays him something like $15 million over the next two seasons, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turned loose, period.

The bullpen will rest upon Wade Davis/Herrera/Hochevar, filling in pieces around them. Bringing Madson back wouldn't be a surprise, but he could get a big deal from another team that is willing to pay him as their top setup guy or even their closer.

I think the biggest prospects to watch in Spring Training will be:

1) Kyle Zimmer. The hype has built, died down, built again, etc. If he's healthy, he's filthy and a potential ToR arm. But what does he look like in ST, and how many innings can you reasonably expect from him if he does earn a rotation spot? It seems like 120-130 innings would be his limit unless they really stretch (or unless he has a lot of hidden innings from simulated games/extended spring training, which might push him to 150-160).

Having another cheap, home-grown pitcher would be a significant boon for this team as it tries to extend the competitive window (and potentially give KC a strong 1-2 to build its rotation around in Zimmer and Ventura)

2) Bubba Starling. I'm trying to remain skeptical, but I like what I hear about Bubba from this season, and the performance has picked up. If KC does not sign someone to fill the RF slot, I think that's a strong indication KC's front office believes Starling will be ready to contribute in 2016.

Dayton Moore has long said that when Starling's light flips on, it will happen quickly and burn brightly. Time will tell.

After his STRONG Arizona Fall League Performance, he shot up my prospect chart.

3) Miguel Almonte. His late-season stint out of the KC bullpen went poorly, but Almonte has a plus-plus changeup, a good fastball, and a decent curve ball. He may be the dark horse in the rotation competition, and unlike Zimmer, he's set up to pitch a full 180 inning season.

4) RA Mondesi. The only player to debut in the MLB World Series has incredible tools. He still needs to refine his game, but again... he may be KC's best cheap, plus alternative at a key position (2B). His defense would be a boon from Day 1, but he needs seasoning with the bat before he's asked to hold down 2B full time.

And, as always, here are the Prospects:

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Old 12-10-2015, 11:11 AM   #1366
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What's the estimate on when the Royals will sign their first ever $100 million contract? Our payroll is increasing every year but eventually you'd think we'd have to finally be willing to dish out the money to keep a star player. At $55 million for Gil Meche the Royals have the smallest largest contract in franchise history out of all 30 MLB teams. This seems like a concern going forward. We had a magical year this year but to replicate that success I think we're going to have to be willing to put out bigger contracts when necessary. If we can't afford to keep Gordon then we sure as hell aren't going to be able to keep Moustakas or Hosmer.
Not sure it's that simple, and it's definitely a huge risk to wait... but I'm not sure you can sign every single guy to a huge deal. Problem with having such a deep team. Moose and Hos are on the right side of 30 too. If you give those guys plus Cain and Gordon money that could be nearly four $100M contracts. You're talking 60-80 million in payroll to 4 guys. And no one on the internet has even mentioned Wade yet. If he pitches half as good as the last two years he's about to get the greatest reliever contract of all time.

Although personally, I think it just comes down to Gordon's age, but they won't say that.
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Old 12-10-2015, 11:15 AM   #1367
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Yeah, I'm about ready for the other shoe to drop at this point so we get it over with. It's going to be a PR blow, but then we can move on to signing someone else. I hope. Everyone is waiting on Heyward.
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Old 12-10-2015, 11:23 AM   #1369
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Old 12-10-2015, 11:55 AM   #1370
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Old 12-10-2015, 11:57 AM   #1371
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Not sure it's that simple, and it's definitely a huge risk to wait... but I'm not sure you can sign every single guy to a huge deal. Problem with having such a deep team. Moose and Hos are on the right side of 30 too. If you give those guys plus Cain and Gordon money that could be nearly four $100M contracts. You're talking 60-80 million in payroll to 4 guys. And no one on the internet has even mentioned Wade yet. If he pitches half as good as the last two years he's about to get the greatest reliever contract of all time.

Although personally, I think it just comes down to Gordon's age, but they won't say that.
I'd like to know what the trade market looks like for Davis.
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Old 12-10-2015, 12:04 PM   #1372
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A front line starter for Marcell Ozuna? Are they serious?
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Old 12-10-2015, 12:07 PM   #1373
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I'd like to know what the trade market looks like for Davis.

Not the time to move him, IMO. You're not going to get a MLB-ready piece that makes a difference for a contending club.

The return for Chapman was Grant Holmes and Jose Peraza, reportedly. That's a good return for one year of a similar closer, but it's not something a team in contention mode is probably willing to do.
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What's the estimate on when the Royals will sign their first ever $100 million contract? Our payroll is increasing every year but eventually you'd think we'd have to finally be willing to dish out the money to keep a star player. At $55 million for Gil Meche the Royals have the smallest largest contract in franchise history out of all 30 MLB teams. This seems like a concern going forward. We had a magical year this year but to replicate that success I think we're going to have to be willing to put out bigger contracts when necessary. If we can't afford to keep Gordon then we sure as hell aren't going to be able to keep Moustakas or Hosmer.
It's not about affording Gordon. It's about the deal making sense for us
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Old 12-10-2015, 12:17 PM   #1375
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It's not about affording Gordon. It's about the deal making sense for us
I agree 100%.
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Moose has to prove something still but is signable. Hosmer is gone even if they did have the $$$
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Not the time to move him, IMO. You're not going to get a MLB-ready piece that makes a difference for a contending club.

The return for Chapman was Grant Holmes and Jose Peraza, reportedly. That's a good return for one year of a similar closer, but it's not something a team in contention mode is probably willing to do.
I feel like the pendulum has swung, and teams are over valuing closers. Nobody is ever untouchable. Without Davis, we've still got a strong pen. We also have glaring holes at 2B and in the outfield. Our lineup is pretty terrible right now.
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I feel like the pendulum has swung, and teams are over valuing closers. Nobody is ever untouchable. Without Davis, we've still got a strong pen. We also have glaring holes at 2B and in the outfield. Our lineup is pretty terrible right now.
I dont know. After watching the Royals make a living off of relief pitching and closers in the playoffs I appreciate Wade even more.
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