Chiefs Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel - Page 92

**DaFace** · 04:32 PM

Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.
By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 10-31-2018, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious

Maybe the Chiefs are starting a new trend of saving your studs for the postseason.

Next thing you know there will be regular season starters and closers playing various positions.

Dude, I was thinking about what it would take to bring back old school defense and in my ramblings, I suggested a double roster and cap to rotate players more and decrease the chance for long term negative health effects.

**BossChief** · 10-31-2018, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by thegame214

Ian Rap tweeted we are bringing in Obi from Oakland.

Good. When healthy, he’s ultra talented.

He had one of the best combine workouts for a safety that I’ve seen.

Sassy Squatch · 10-31-2018, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

I don’t understand the need for Eric to tell the media anything.

What is it you could possibly want to know that we don’t already know? He has a haglund bone spur by his Achilles. His heel is still sore and he’s slowly getting better (per reports).

It’s also funny to hear the same people crowing about Berry being done forever like this board said about Houston when he got injured.

Team said it expected him back realistically by week 5. We're now approaching week 9. If it's still sore enough that he can't even practice, he needs to medically retire and get the **** out, because he's going to be useless the rest of his career.

**BossChief** · 10-31-2018, 07:40 AM

It’s shaping up where Berry comes back and plays 3 games, tears his Achilles and calls it a career

Sassy Squatch · 10-31-2018, 07:40 AM

If he isn't back by the bye, IR him and prepare to cut him with a post June 1st designation. No use risking him blowing out his shit again and being stuck with his albatross contract for yet another season.

UChieffyBugger · 10-31-2018, 07:41 AM

GUYS!!, here's a little perspective. Joey Bosa stopped practising WEEKS BEFORE Eric went down. There was talk that he "might return" in the season opener against our beloved Chiefs until he was sighted with a foot brace on days before the game and was promptly ruled out. So now weeks go by and he saw several doctors. The Bolt fans were excited to hear that he would "definetly" be back AFTER their bye week. Well that week just passed and whats the latest news? Apparently HE'S NOWHERE NEAR READY according to reports. Is he a "coward"? Is he "never coming back"? Is he "just sitting on the sidelines picking up a cheque"? Hmmm I wonder

The moral of the story is some injuries take way longer to heal than expected. At least Berry is with his team mates and is doing a lot of gym work by all accounts. Bosa is not even at that stage yet. And some fear he may not play until mid December if at all. So folks need to chill the fuck out and have some patience.

RunKC · 10-31-2018, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

If he isn't back by the bye, IR him and prepare to cut him with a post June 1st designation. No use risking him blowing out his shit again and being stuck with his albatross contract for yet another season.

Not much you can do right now except let Berry come back when he can. Unless he comes back and looks like he did in his contract year in the next few months, there will need to be some difficult conversations with his agent next Spring.

No way should that guy be getting paid $16.5 million next season, especially after being available 3 quarters for the last 2 seasons.

Sassy Squatch · 10-31-2018, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Not much you can do right now except let Berry come back when he can. Unless he comes back and looks like he did in his contract year in the next few months, there will need to be some difficult conversations with his agent next Spring.

No way should that guy be getting paid $16.5 million next season, especially after being available 3 quarters for the last 2 seasons.

No more conversations. Squeeze what little use you can out of him this season then drop him like a bad habit.

**BossChief** · 10-31-2018, 07:54 AM

These safeties we tried trading for (Thomas, Collins, haha) will be FAs in the offseason.

I’m sure we will sign one of them.

SuperBowl4 · 10-31-2018, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

GUYS!!, here's a little perspective. Joey Bosa stopped practising WEEKS BEFORE Eric went down. There was talk that he "might return" in the season opener against our beloved Chiefs until he was sighted with a foot brace on days before the game and was promptly ruled out. So now weeks go by and he saw several doctors. The Bolt fans were excited to hear that he would "definetly" be back AFTER their bye week. Well that week just passed and whats the latest news? Apparently HE'S NOWHERE NEAR READY according to reports. Is he a "coward"? Is he "never coming back"? Is he "just sitting on the sidelines picking up a cheque"? Hmmm I wonder

The moral of the story is some injuries take way longer to heal than expected. At least Berry is with his team mates and is doing a lot of gym work by all accounts. Bosa is not even at that stage yet. And some fear he may not play until mid December if at all. So folks need to chill the **** out and have some patience.

Patience? How many more years?

RunKC · 10-31-2018, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

No more conversations. Squeeze what little use you can out of him this season then drop him like a bad habit.

Depends on what he looks like when he comes back. JJ Watt was out multiple times and had 1 sack in like 20 games despite being paid the big bucks.

They let him recover and now he looks lien a bad ass again.

Gotta see what EB does if/when he comes back later in this season.

**loochy** · 10-31-2018, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

So folks need to chill the fuck out and have some patience.

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How many games has this guy played in the last 2 years?
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Sassy Squatch · 10-31-2018, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Depends on what he looks like when he comes back. JJ Watt was out multiple times and had 1 sack in like 20 games despite being paid the big bucks.

They let him recover and now he looks lien a bad ass again.

Gotta see what EB does if/when he comes back later in this season.

No. Only way we should waste even more time and money is if the bone spur is removed the day after our last game.

Marcellus · 10-31-2018, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by loochy

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How many games has this guy played in the last 2 years?
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Does nonstop bitching and complaining change any of that?

OKchiefs · 10-31-2018, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

It’s shaping up where Berry comes back and plays 3 games, tears his Achilles and calls it a career

Then good riddance. At least he'll have tried. If he tries to come back in crunch time it's no better than Michael Porter coming back the last 2 games and throwing off the chemistry. If he can't be back by week 13 at the latest he shouldn't come back at all. And even week 13 is way too late considering we kept the ****er on the active roster all season.

09-29-2018, 01:06 PM
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $1476899	Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me. https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday. By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.” The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.” More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo: Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.” This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg. Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week. Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos. ---- Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann: A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition. The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well. The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself. Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function. These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is. Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side. Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some. For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period. If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level. Last edited by DaFace; 09-29-2018 at 04:32 PM..
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UChieffyBugger CP'S "MOST HATED" 😆 Join Date: Feb 2018 Casino cash: $2070400	GUYS!!, here's a little perspective. Joey Bosa stopped practising WEEKS BEFORE Eric went down. There was talk that he "might return" in the season opener against our beloved Chiefs until he was sighted with a foot brace on days before the game and was promptly ruled out. So now weeks go by and he saw several doctors. The Bolt fans were excited to hear that he would "definetly" be back AFTER their bye week. Well that week just passed and whats the latest news? Apparently HE'S NOWHERE NEAR READY according to reports. Is he a "coward"? Is he "never coming back"? Is he "just sitting on the sidelines picking up a cheque"? Hmmm I wonder The moral of the story is some injuries take way longer to heal than expected. At least Berry is with his team mates and is doing a lot of gym work by all accounts. Bosa is not even at that stage yet. And some fear he may not play until mid December if at all. So folks need to chill the fuck out and have some patience.
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