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Old 11-02-2015, 05:00 PM  
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Well, folks, it has happened. The Royals stand triumphant, atop the heap of MLB.

In this thread, we'll track the action as Dayton Moore continues The Process and attempts to defend the long-awaited title.

Before we get to the meet of it, let's take a minute to reflect ... and say "I'm Sorry" to Dayton Moore.

We gave you hell. Many of us called for your head. But you were right. You got it done. Congratulations. Mea culpa.

Now, let's talk about the offseason:

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The Royals will have a few priorities: Corner OF (x2) and 1 SP, IMO. The rest of the core is solid and will need little tweaking. Looking at the increase in ticket sales, merchandising, concessions, parking, etc., I think it's fair to assume the Royals GROSSED $100 million more this season, or close to it. That gives Glass and Dayton Moore much more flexibility on payroll for 2016 (hopefully).

First order of business will be gauging the Alex Gordon market. If he can be resigned for 4-5 years at around $75-80 million total, it would be hard for KC to pass on that. He's still an above-average corner OF bat, and the Royals will need to bring in at least one proven guy to play in a corner if Gordon walks... and the whole market looks a lot like Alex - guys in their early 30s looking for huge, final contracts.

Second order of business: Make a decision on Zobrist. It sounds like KC will pursue him aggressively. At 34, he's at risk of declining in a big way after a few years. If they could find someone to take on Omar Infante for eating 1/2 of his deal, that would be a great start to things.

If they decide not to spend on Zobrist, KC will need to cobble together some sort of plan for 2B/RF that involves some cheaper options like Orlando, Colon, Dyson, etc.

I could see them deciding his ability to provide great insurance at either 2B or in RF is worth the risk.

Third order of business: Add depth to the rotation with a FA SP. Duffy, Ventura, Volquez and Medlen are locks for 4 spots, it seems. Kyle Zimmer may finally be ready to make a MLB impact, but his innings will be limited. That means KC needs insurance. Will it kill two birds with one stone (and insure against Duffy/Ventura regression) by signing a more top-tier guy? Or does Moore look to Chris Young/someone like him for this depth?

Personally, I think Mike Leake would be a great fit with KC's defense and park, and I know Moore has long coveted him. He's still young - just 28 - and has succeeded in bandbox Cincinnati for years.

Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Marco Estrada, and Justin Masterson are some other names that may pique interest (a little further down the list).

Other than that, I don't think KC makes any major moves. Greg Holland will be interesting to observe, as they have one more year of control of him, and he will obviously miss all of that season. I wouldn't be surprised to see a pre-arbitration deal that pays him something like $15 million over the next two seasons, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turned loose, period.

The bullpen will rest upon Wade Davis/Herrera/Hochevar, filling in pieces around them. Bringing Madson back wouldn't be a surprise, but he could get a big deal from another team that is willing to pay him as their top setup guy or even their closer.

I think the biggest prospects to watch in Spring Training will be:

1) Kyle Zimmer. The hype has built, died down, built again, etc. If he's healthy, he's filthy and a potential ToR arm. But what does he look like in ST, and how many innings can you reasonably expect from him if he does earn a rotation spot? It seems like 120-130 innings would be his limit unless they really stretch (or unless he has a lot of hidden innings from simulated games/extended spring training, which might push him to 150-160).

Having another cheap, home-grown pitcher would be a significant boon for this team as it tries to extend the competitive window (and potentially give KC a strong 1-2 to build its rotation around in Zimmer and Ventura)

2) Bubba Starling. I'm trying to remain skeptical, but I like what I hear about Bubba from this season, and the performance has picked up. If KC does not sign someone to fill the RF slot, I think that's a strong indication KC's front office believes Starling will be ready to contribute in 2016.

Dayton Moore has long said that when Starling's light flips on, it will happen quickly and burn brightly. Time will tell.

After his STRONG Arizona Fall League Performance, he shot up my prospect chart.

3) Miguel Almonte. His late-season stint out of the KC bullpen went poorly, but Almonte has a plus-plus changeup, a good fastball, and a decent curve ball. He may be the dark horse in the rotation competition, and unlike Zimmer, he's set up to pitch a full 180 inning season.

4) RA Mondesi. The only player to debut in the MLB World Series has incredible tools. He still needs to refine his game, but again... he may be KC's best cheap, plus alternative at a key position (2B). His defense would be a boon from Day 1, but he needs seasoning with the bat before he's asked to hold down 2B full time.

And, as always, here are the Prospects:

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Old 12-10-2015, 06:00 PM   #1426
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Old 12-10-2015, 06:24 PM   #1427
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Old 12-10-2015, 07:12 PM   #1428
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So much for Alex being fine with a hometown discount
Why are you saying that? Did Alex say something?
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Old 12-10-2015, 07:16 PM   #1429
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Why are you saying that? Did Alex say something?
That was the thinking by a lot of Royals fans, that whatever his value on the open market was, he'd take a little bit less if it meant staying in KC.
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Old 12-10-2015, 07:25 PM   #1430
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Assuming he'd take $100k less to stay in KC. And assuming he wouldn't take $20M less.

Now - where in the middle would he accept?
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Old 12-10-2015, 07:31 PM   #1431
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When teams are in desperation mode signing guys to insane contracts-Royals need to be doing the opposite by bringing up players from the minors to fill in around our stars.

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Old 12-10-2015, 08:07 PM   #1432
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Oh yeah, that's fair. Those numbers were speculation/projections from baseball columnists iirc.
It was fair for both sides. Alex turned 1 good year into 4/38. The first two arb years would've probably netted him 4&6. He ended up getting 9&9, and then he had 2 more guranteed afterward. Remember too that he got a player option for 2016 at $12.5m. All told if he sucked, he was looking at $50M in guaranteed money.

He ended up better off in FA too. Had he signed after 2013 he was probably looking 6/80. Revenues exploded since and now he's in line for way more.
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Old 12-10-2015, 10:42 PM   #1433
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As a player he's proof that letting the SABR guys have free reign is no more intelligent than letting crusty old baseball men run it.

As a player he possesses a well rounded skill-set that makes him a useful ballplayer on any team. You're advocating for a contract that would make him the cornerstone player of a contender.

He ain't that and unless he completely re-works his swing, he never will be.

Just staring googly eyed at pretty WAR numbers isn't going to get you very far. He racks up DWAR playing a secondary defensive position. He doesn't produce runs and his contributions on offense are both erratic and generally able to be neutralized given a fairly easy plan (pitch him in).

He's not 'brilliant'. He's not a superstar. And if you want to give all glory to WAR here, he's not even as good as Kevin Kiermaier. He's just a nice ballplayer that's about to be grossly overpaid.
So basically the only thing he has over Gordon is age? Is that really worth $100mil extra?
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So basically the only thing he has over Gordon is age? Is that really worth $100mil extra?
I assume you're simply asking a rhetorical question, and you already know the answer is "no".

DJ's analysis, as usual, is spot on. I think Zeke must be Jason Heyward's brother. He is not worth $200,000,000. Not even close. That's the kind of contract poorly-run teams sign and well-run teams avoid.
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So basically the only thing he has over Gordon is age? Is that really worth $100mil extra?
Yes. Because you are getting his prime WAR years.
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