***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Donger]

Originally Posted by TLO

Can someone put it plain terms what is happening here?

Sure. Pete made fun of someone for being math-challenged. He then posted this:

Let me help you....1000/4=.4

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by TLO

Can someone put it plain terms what is happening here?

If I understand his argument he is stating 2 out 1000 people die is acceptable but 3 or 4 out of 1000 requires a country-wide lock down.

[Donger]

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said a containment area will be set up in the city of New Rochelle as Westchester County works to stop the spread of coronavirus. Schools and facilities within will be closed for two weeks, and the National Guard will deploy to this area to help support the community.

Health Commissioner Dr. Howard Zuckersaid the area is a circle with a radius of about one mile.

Starting on Thursday, facilities and schools within the area will be closed for two weeks. The National Guard will help deliver food to homes and clean public spaces in the containment area, Cuomo said, describing the plan as a "dramatic action."

This will go on through March 25.

[Discuss Thrower]

There's no logical reason to ever allow for allowing mass gatherings once you go down the path of banning them in the short term.

[Rukdafaidas]

Originally Posted by petegz28

If I understand his argument he is stating 2 out 1000 people die is acceptable but 3 or 4 out of 1000 requires a country-wide lock down.

He said .2 out of 1,000. Not 2 out of 1,000.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

There's no logical reason to ever allow for allowing mass gatherings once you go down the path of banning them in the short term.

French mayor defends Smurf rally after outcry over virus

https://news.yahoo.com/french-mayor-...001955753.html

Rennes (France) (AFP) - The mayor of a small French town on Tuesday defended hosting a record-breaking gathering of 3,500 people dressed as Smurfs at the weekend, after accusations that the event increased the risks of spreading the coronavirus.

"We must not stop living... it was the chance to say that we are alive," mayor Patrick Leclerc of Landerneau in western France told AFP.

The gathering came a day before France banned all gatherings of more than 1,000 in a bid to contain the spread of the virus, which has infected 1,412 people and killed 25 in the country.

The Smurf rally drew criticism particularly from the media in Italy, which is battling Europe's most intense outbreak, where La Repubblica newspaper described the rally as "potentially a very dangerous viral bomb".

[Third Eye]

Originally Posted by petegz28

If I understand his argument he is stating 2 out 1000 people die is acceptable but 3 or 4 out of 1000 requires a country-wide lock down.

He said .2 not 2. There’a an order of magnitude difference there. Now I have no idea about the veracity of his numbers but 3 or 4 out of 1000 compared to .2 out of 1000 is an increase of 15-20 times.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

There's no logical reason to ever allow for allowing mass gatherings once you go down the path of banning them in the short term.

That's nonsense akin to saying that once you evacuate the streets for an air raid that you can never turn off the klaxon.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Third Eye

He said .2 not 2. There’a an order of magnitude difference there. Now I have no idea about the veracity of his numbers but 3 or 4 out of 1000 compared to .2 out of 1000 is an increase of 15-20 times.

Don't explain maths to pete!

[loochy]

Originally Posted by petegz28

what am I missing? .2% of 1000 is 2. Not 3 or 4. Maybe he is saying something I am not getting

He didn't say .2% of 1000. He said .2 out of 1000...so that would be the same as 1 out of 5000.

He also said 3 to 4 out of 1000....so that would be the same as 15 to 20 out of 5000.

Get it now?

[TLO]

So are BWillie's stats accurate or no?

[Pablo]

pete was too scared to confront his neighbor over a scary porch light and thought the Chiefs wouldn't sniff the playoffs. Nobody should ever take anything he says seriously.

[TLO]

I'm not a math person. I've never claimed to be. I just want to know if 3 of 4 people out of 1000 in that age bracket are likely to die.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by TLO

So are BWillie's stats accurate or no?

We are still just trying to explain to pete WHAT BWillie said....but no, his stats probably aren't accurate.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by loochy

We are still just trying to explain to pete WHAT BWillie said....but no, his stats probably aren't accurate.

Thank you