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Old 01-07-2023, 10:07 AM   #1426
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That said, Indians are said to be interested in C and Herrera is blocked now. They have some young IFers who don't have Winn's ceiling but are more big league ready.

Carlson, O'Neill, Winn, Herrera

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Bieber, Karinchak and Gabriel Arias

OF becomes Noot, Walker and maybe Gorman at that point. Probably too much for Cleveland to give up but pulling Karinchak out of there makes it seem like too little.

Dunno - a deal could come together.
We have too many outfielders aand 1st and 3rd is occupied for another 3-4 years. We need to keep any pitching we have in the pipeline.

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WAS is the key word. He is no where near where he was when he was in the running for the best in the game. Correct?

That said, we need good pitchers. All we can get.
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WAS is the key word. He is no where near where he was when he was in the running for the best in the game. Correct?
Wrong.

Shane Bieber was the 8th best pitcher in baseball last year and came 7th in CY voting. His CY came in the shortened 2020 season. His numbers last year meet or exceed his numbers in other full seasons where he carried his higher velocity.
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Yeah, Biebs is ****in good. That said, if anything does happen, Mo will give up way too much, sign him to a guaranteed contract for way too much money, and Bieber will then proceed to cut his arm off in a freak chainsaw accident.
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We have too many outfielders aand 1st and 3rd is occupied for another 3-4 years. We need to keep any pitching we have in the pipeline.

WAS is the key word. He is no where near where he was when he was in the running for the best in the game. Correct?

That said, we need good pitchers. All we can get.
Um....that's what I'm doing. Converting OFers into pitchers. A #1 SP and a nails reliever.

And 'nowhere near' is strong. He had a sub 3 ERA and got CY votes last year.

But there's risk there. I don't know what to think about that shoulder. The velocity was down but he threw 200 innings and wasn't losing stuff late in games. He thought it was mechanics but I'm not so sure.

But he still has one of the best breaking balls in the game and was pitching off it last year. If he gets that velo back up to 95ish, he can throw with anyone in the game. Will he? Hard to say, but if you're not gonna pay for established top of the rotation arms, these are the risks you have to take.
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Yeah, Biebs is ****in good. That said, if anything does happen, Mo will give up way too much, sign him to a guaranteed contract for way too much money, and Bieber will then proceed to cut his arm off in a freak chainsaw accident.
Unfortunately for us, this will be the way it plays out.
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We have too many outfielders aand 1st and 3rd is occupied for another 3-4 years. We need to keep any pitching we have in the pipeline.

WAS is the key word. He is no where near where he was when he was in the running for the best in the game. Correct?

That said, we need good pitchers. All we can get.
It's been said already but Bieber is still a top of the rotation guy on just about every team.
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Yeah, Biebs is ****in good. That said, if anything does happen, Mo will give up way too much, sign him to a guaranteed contract for way too much money, and Bieber will then proceed to cut his arm off in a freak chainsaw accident.
He'll sign Flaherty to a 5 year deal first and proceed to get 45 innings per season out of him.
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Mo was on KMOX Sunday....he's not adding anything meaningful to the rotation-

“And then you say, ‘Well, what are you trading for?’ Right now, the bet we are making is on Waino, Mikolas, Flaherty, Montgomery and Matz. And you’ve got Dakota in the wings…”
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“And then you say, ‘Well, what are you trading for?’ Right now, the bet we are making is on Waino, Mikolas, Flaherty, Montgomery and Matz. And you’ve got Dakota in the wings…”
Whaaaaaaaat?

Mozeliak is half-assing the job? That never happens!

Remember when they were gonna raise payroll? Well, Waino got his raise and then we engaged in some creative accounting.

What more do you want?!?!
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Whaaaaaaaat?

Mozeliak is half-assing the job? That never happens!

Remember when they were gonna raise payroll? Well, Waino got his raise and then we engaged in some creative accounting.

What more do you want?!?!
I know, as the BFIB we should just eat it and shut the **** up. They signed Wilson Contreras man!! We don't need a left handed bat or a starter. What was I thinking?
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I know, as the BFIB we should just eat it and shut the **** up. They signed Wilson Contreras man!! We don't need a left handed bat or a starter. What was I thinking?
Y'know what Yadier Molina made in 2022? $10 million.

Y'know what Willson Contreras is gonna make in 2023? Oh I'll bet you can get it. Probably won't even take you two cracks at it.

Their 'big signing' in a season they promised an expanded payroll added precisely ZERO to the 2022 salary structure.

At present the 26 man roster projects to a payroll nut of less than $155 million. Just like last season.

This team truly thinks its fans are stupid. Sadly, many of them are.

The Cardinals don't deserve their fans. It's a pathetic, cheap, lazy, arrogant and entitled organization.
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Just like in his playing days, Matt Holliday quits on the team. Super Joe takes his place.
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So that's the pitching coach, hitting coach and bench coach who have all elected to simply walk away from jobs in St. Louis over the last 6 months.

Just a hell of an organization you've got here, Moe...

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So that's the pitching coach, hitting coach and bench coach who have all elected to simply walk away from jobs in St. Louis over the last 6 months.

Just a hell of an organization you've got here, Moe...

****ing clown.
The bench coach didn't even wait around for a part of the season. Something really ****ed up is happening in that clubhouse.
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So that's the pitching coach, hitting coach and bench coach who have all elected to simply walk away from jobs in St. Louis over the last 6 months.

Just a hell of an organization you've got here, Moe...

****ing clown.
Yet my blah organization post was mocked Another year of a bland offseason and that turd Noot starting boys!! Yipeeee!
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