Chiefs Earl Thomas a longshot to be a Chief - Page 98

Hog's Gone Fishin · 09-23-2018, 08:30 AM

They just said on ESPN we were on the list of teams that he could be dealt to.

**The Franchise** · 09-25-2018, 10:10 AM

Houston is 50/50 to return next season. We have $41 million in cap space BEFORE we cut him next season. If he's gone....then we'll have $55 million. Who are the important players that we need to sign?

Mitch Morse? Maybe.
Harrison Butker? Sure.
Anthony Sherman? Sure.

We can start talking contract with Hill after this season and we should.....but we'll have $41 ****ing million dollars to work with and that's if we're keeping Houston. And if Thomas only costs a 2nd round pick....then we still have a 1st, 2nd and 3rd to fill holes on the defensive side of the ball.

**ptlyon** · 09-25-2018, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

Well then the question becomes... is KC doing a poor job in picking defensive talent, or are they doing a piss poor job DEVELOPING that talent?

With a track record like they have picking defense over the past 5 years, I'd say it's a little of column A and a little of column B. Even a guy like Chris Jones who definitely HAS talent hasn't really developed as a talent since he arrived has he? He's the same guy he was as a rookie.

Or C the plays called are not exploiting the talent

Mecca · 09-25-2018, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by The Pest

Houston is 50/50 to return next season. We have $41 million in cap space BEFORE we cut him next season. If he's gone....then we'll have $55 million. Who are the important players that we need to sign?

Mitch Morse? Maybe.
Harrison Butker? Sure.
Anthony Sherman? Sure.

We can start talking contract with Hill after this season and we should.....but we'll have $41 ****ing million dollars to work with and that's if we're keeping Houston. And if Thomas only costs a 2nd round pick....then we still have a 1st, 2nd and 3rd to fill holes on the defensive side of the ball.

Bingo, and the CB market is complete asshole next year so there won't be a signing there...

Thomas fills a massive need and about the only other guy in FA I might consider taking a look at is Clowney cause I think you might be able to get a deal there.

ToxSocks · 09-25-2018, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

Let's say we make the trade without an extension. Thomas for a 2nd. He continues what he's doing by not taking practice seriously until he gets paid. Now what? It's not like he's been in this unit for years and can perform at the same level while missing practice

No one is making the trade with out an extension

Why do you keep asking this hypothetical?

WhiteWhale · 09-25-2018, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Well they do have 2 really ****ing old guys and the HC's son on that defensive staff...that isn't exactly awesome sounding.

But at the same time look at some of those picks, Kpass total project, Speaks a casual fan can look at him and see that he is fat and slow.

True. In regards to Kpass and the team as a whole (Murray too) it seems KC goes after athletes and hopes to develop them into football players.

The offensive staff seems able to do that, while the defensive staff does not.

Speaks just flat looks like he can't play, and far too many guys just seem to lack instincts.

**New World Order** · 09-25-2018, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by The Pest

Houston is 50/50 to return next season. We have $41 million in cap space BEFORE we cut him next season. If he's gone....then we'll have $55 million. Who are the important players that we need to sign?

Mitch Morse? Maybe.
Harrison Butker? Sure.
Anthony Sherman? Sure.

We can start talking contract with Hill after this season and we should.....but we'll have $41 ****ing million dollars to work with and that's if we're keeping Houston. And if Thomas only costs a 2nd round pick....then we still have a 1st, 2nd and 3rd to fill holes on the defensive side of the ball.

What's Houston's contract compared to the better players in the league who've recently signed deals?

Kyle Fuller signed a 4 year 60 million dollar deal. Olivier Vernon 5 year 85 million.

Not sure we should cut Houston.

WhiteWhale · 09-25-2018, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ptlyon

Or C the plays called are not exploiting the talent

It's hard to blame the scheme when I spot multiple blown assignments on something as basic as a cover 3 zone.

Mecca · 09-25-2018, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

True. In regards to Kpass and the team as a whole (Murray too) it seems KC goes after athletes and hopes to develop them into football players.

The offensive staff seems able to do that, while the defensive staff does not.

Speaks just flat looks like he can't play, and far too many guys just seem to lack instincts.

Speaks doesn't even look like an athlete though, so I don't really get what they saw in him.

WhiteWhale · 09-25-2018, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Speaks doesn't even look like an athlete though, so I don't really get what they saw in him.

Yeah, that's why I brought him up separately. When I say 'he can't play' I mean I don't see ANYTHING that from him that makes me think he can develop into an impact rusher.

Kpass at least has the measurables, but I lose faith in players when they can't make an impact in year 2.

The NFL isn't what it used to be. It used to take guys years to acclimate tot he NFL. You never knew until year 3.

It seems more or less guys hit the ground running now. That's especially true with running backs and pass rushers.

**The Franchise** · 09-25-2018, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by New World Order

What's Houston's contract compared to the better players in the league who've recently signed deals?

Kyle Fuller signed a 4 year 60 million dollar deal. Olivier Vernon 5 year 85 million.

Not sure we should cut Houston.

His contract is similar to J.J. Watt's contract.

Imon Yourside · 09-25-2018, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Speaks doesn't even look like an athlete though, so I don't really get what they saw in him.

Someone to "pick me up a sammich" from Mcdonalds on the way to the facility? Looks like he has the Big Mac thing down.

Sassy Squatch · 09-25-2018, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

No one is making the trade with out an extension

Why do you keep asking this hypothetical?

Because there are a couple of people making the argument to trade for him even without an extension.

Mecca · 09-25-2018, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by New World Order

What's Houston's contract compared to the better players in the league who've recently signed deals?

Kyle Fuller signed a 4 year 60 million dollar deal. Olivier Vernon 5 year 85 million.

Not sure we should cut Houston.

https://overthecap.com/position/edge-rusher

He's still pretty high...

Imon Yourside · 09-25-2018, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

Because there are a couple of people making the argument to trade for him even without an extension.

That's just crazy, no way we would do that.

Mecca · 09-25-2018, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

Yeah, that's why I brought him up separately. When I say 'he can't play' I mean I don't see ANYTHING that from him that makes me think he can develop into an impact rusher.

Kpass at least has the measurables, but I lose faith in players when they can't make an impact in year 2.

The NFL isn't what it used to be. It used to take guys years to acclimate tot he NFL. You never knew until year 3.

It seems more or less guys hit the ground running now. That's especially true with running backs and pass rushers.

Actually I'm kind of wondering what Brett Veach likes in D players if you look at who he has brought in...Speaks, Ragland, even Hitchens to a degree.

These guys are not super athletic speed guys, these are all huge dudes who are a little slower. That was the type of defense that worked great in the 80s not so much in todays game.

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