Chiefs Earl Thomas a longshot to be a Chief - Page 99

Hog's Gone Fishin · 09-23-2018, 08:30 AM

They just said on ESPN we were on the list of teams that he could be dealt to.

WhiteWhale · 09-25-2018, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by The Pest

His contract is similar to J.J. Watt's contract.

Houston's deal was a 6 year 101 million dollar contract. 20 million signing bonus, 52 million guaranteed.

He took home 32 million up front.

saphojunkie · 09-25-2018, 10:22 AM

I hope Speaks comes back to make us all look like fools, but this far he has been lackluster at best.

Count me in the Camp of trading for Thomas and giving him an extension. He and Berry are the two best safeties in he league. I know what people say: one player can’t make a defense, look at JJ Watt, blah blah blah.

Replacing your weakest link with the strongest player at the position in the league matters. Also, if JJ Watt had Mahomes, he’d have a ring.

**The Franchise** · 09-25-2018, 10:23 AM

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Actually I'm kind of wondering what Brett Veach likes in D players if you look at who he has brought in...Speaks, Ragland, even Hitchens to a degree.

These guys are not super athletic speed guys, these are all huge dudes who are a little slower. That was the type of defense that worked great in the 80s not so much in todays game.

I think Speaks was supposed to be a project that eventually replaced Houston. Able to set the edge and more of a power rusher. Hitchens was a good signing....I think he just needs more time in this scheme to get used to it. Ragland was a trade to fill the run defense because we literally had dick next to DJ.

Dude made it a priority to shore up the run defense....not fully expecting teams to have to start airing it out in the 1st quarter of games. I think we'll be happy with his moves more in games where it's close or we have to come from behind.

Mecca · 09-25-2018, 10:25 AM

You know I've never really looked at some of these guys cap numbers so closely..why the **** does Sorenson have a 5.3 million dollar cap figure?

Who signs a role player to that deal?

saphojunkie · 09-25-2018, 10:25 AM

Veach wanted to stop the run first. That’s clearly what the offseason was about. Stop Le’Veon Bell and Derrick Henry.

WhiteWhale · 09-25-2018, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Actually I'm kind of wondering what Brett Veach likes in D players if you look at who he has brought in...Speaks, Ragland, even Hitchens to a degree.

These guys are not super athletic speed guys, these are all huge dudes who are a little slower. That was the type of defense that worked great in the 80s not so much in todays game.

Yeah, when I think about it KC's personnel strategy on defense is pretty reactionary. They signed Hitchens because he's a good run defender and their run defense was awful. They traded for Ragland because they had NOTHING at ILB.

There's no real vision behind it.

Mecca · 09-25-2018, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Veach wanted to stop the run first. That’s clearly what the offseason was about. Stop Le’Veon Bell and Derrick Henry.

The 49er torched that run defense to a tune of 6.1 YPC...

**The Franchise** · 09-25-2018, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

You know I've never really looked at some of these guys cap numbers so closely..why the **** does Sorenson have a 5.3 million dollar cap figure?

Who signs a role player to that deal?

Dorsey.

RunKC · 09-25-2018, 10:26 AM

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Houston is 50/50 to return next season. We have $41 million in cap space BEFORE we cut him next season. If he's gone....then we'll have $55 million. Who are the important players that we need to sign?

Mitch Morse? Maybe.
Harrison Butker? Sure.
Anthony Sherman? Sure.

We can start talking contract with Hill after this season and we should.....but we'll have $41 ****ing million dollars to work with and that's if we're keeping Houston. And if Thomas only costs a 2nd round pick....then we still have a 1st, 2nd and 3rd to fill holes on the defensive side of the ball.

1 TFL, 1 sack/fumble negated by holding call in Pittsburgh
2 sacks, 1 FF, 3.5 TFL, 2 QB hits on Sunday

Right now I’m keeping Houston. He was held like a mother****er in Pittsburgh and still should have had a sack/fumble. Probably gonna get another sack this week.

I’m keeping him over Ford

saphojunkie · 09-25-2018, 10:26 AM

Pest - those moves were made for January, not September. If teams have a lead, how do they protect it? Run the ball and keep Party Pat off the field.

If we stop the run, we can come back from any deficit.

**The Franchise** · 09-25-2018, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

The 49er torched that run defense to a tune of 6.1 YPC...

Dude....in the prevent defense.....sure.

**The Franchise** · 09-25-2018, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

1 TFL, 1 sack/fumble negated by holding call in Pittsburgh
2 sacks, 1 FF, 3.5 TFL, 2 QB hits on Sunday

Right now I’m keeping Houston. He was held like a mother****er in Pittsburgh and still should have had a sack/fumble. Probably gonna get another sack this week.

I’m keeping him over Ford

I know you aren't saying I was....but I wasn't advocating for cutting him. Just pointing out that you can afford Thomas next year even with re-signing players that we want to keep.

O.city · 09-25-2018, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Veach wanted to stop the run first. That’s clearly what the offseason was about. Stop Le’Veon Bell and Derrick Henry.

Which in today's NFL, just isn't smart.

Teams wanna run in on you? Fine. They can't score that fast and if you have a good offense let them run it.

saphojunkie · 09-25-2018, 10:28 AM

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The 49er torched that run defense to a tune of 6.1 YPC...

Hey man - I never said he actually succeeded. Just that it was the plan.

**New World Order** · 09-25-2018, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Pest - those moves were made for January, not September. If teams have a lead, how do they protect it? Run the ball and keep Party Pat off the field.

If we stop the run, we can come back from any deficit.

Signing Watkins means Veach believes we can outshoot Brady and The Rapist in the playoffs.

Signing Hitchens and Williams is for stopping the run in a grind it out type game against Jax

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saphojunkie MVP Join Date: Aug 2011 Casino cash: $2206550	I hope Speaks comes back to make us all look like fools, but this far he has been lackluster at best. Count me in the Camp of trading for Thomas and giving him an extension. He and Berry are the two best safeties in he league. I know what people say: one player can’t make a defense, look at JJ Watt, blah blah blah. Replacing your weakest link with the strongest player at the position in the league matters. Also, if JJ Watt had Mahomes, he’d have a ring.
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saphojunkie MVP Join Date: Aug 2011 Casino cash: $2206550	Pest - those moves were made for January, not September. If teams have a lead, how do they protect it? Run the ball and keep Party Pat off the field. If we stop the run, we can come back from any deficit.
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