Chiefs Chiefs Run Defense: Better than you thought - Page 5

pugsnotdrugs19 · 01-05-2017, 10:39 AM

Below is a nice statistical article that really defines the Chiefs run defense and why it seems that even when it is playing poorly, the world doesn't fall apart. Pretty great stuff, and it somewhat kills the narrative that the Chiefs are a 'bad' run defense.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2017/1...e-inconsistent

Essentially, the summary of the OP's study is that even though the Chiefs don't get a lot of stuffs, they also are among the best in the league at preventing long running plays. They bend with the 5 yard runs, but do not break with 10+ yarders hardly ever. Good read and if you get the chance, take a look.

NJChiefsFan · 01-05-2017, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Excuses. We've been gashed ALL season. Part scheme, part poor tackiling.

I think it's been more about ilbs not getting off their blocks. Although you could argue the scheme of preventing big plays is as big a cause.

ThaVirus · 01-05-2017, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

EVERY time CP says this about a player, it doesn't play out that way. Most over dramatic drama queens i have EVER seen.

We've played Bell already this season. Care to take a look-see at what he did to us then?

After that, take a look at his stats against us last season when they didn't even have Roeth.

Pasta Little Brioni · 01-05-2017, 10:43 PM

He will get yards, but hyperbole is ridiculous. Who do they have to match Reek/Kelce?

Aspengc8 · 01-05-2017, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

He will get yards, but hyperbole is ridiculous. Who do they have to match Reek/Kelce?

The play selection has been much better that last few weeks. Defenses now have to account for Hill, Kelce, Maclin and Ware/West out of the backfield (both good imo). Conley has been getting more looks because of coverage rolls as well. Not to mention Alex checking to run if he counts favorable in the box. He has scored twice in the red zone of traditional zone read, making the correct read (which he was not doing at all earlier in season- post head injury). Big difference on offense. Only thing I'd like to see is MORE under-center play action. They like to run that counter-trey a lot now, need to build in a deep shot play off of that. Something with Hill and Maclin in a 'nasty' split (close to hash) with hill running a deep post, maclin on opposite side running a dig. Make the safety choose. Maybe have Kelce delay and check down if needed.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 01-06-2017, 01:51 AM

Red zone run defense has been solid this season.

TEX · 01-06-2017, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

I think it's been more about ilbs not getting off their blocks. Although you could argue the scheme of preventing big plays is as big a cause.

I think you're right.

Chief Roundup · 01-06-2017, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

We've played Bell already this season. Care to take a look-see at what he did to us then?

After that, take a look at his stats against us last season when they didn't even have Roeth.

Bell ran for 144 yards in week 4 this season. His first game back this season. Last year he ran for 121 yards.

Those are very good and productive games that he has had so what is your point?

ThaVirus · 01-06-2017, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Bell ran for 144 yards in week 4 this season. His first game back this season. Last year he ran for 121 yards.

Those are very good and productive games that he has had so what is your point?

Um, that's exactly my point.

He's going to ass rape us. Complete domination.

Chief Roundup · 01-06-2017, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Um, that's exactly my point.

He's going to ass rape us. Complete domination.

Ah I thought you were trying to make a point the other way.

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Shawny2X4 · 01-06-2017, 01:25 PM

When the Chiefs lucked their way into the playoffs for the '06 season, I remember so much hype being made of Larry Johnson, who had been tearing it up that year, going up against an historically bad Indianapolis run defense (7th worst in NFL history going by rushing yards-per-attempt). The Colts ended up holding Johnson to 32 rushing yards on 13 attempts.

Mr. Laz · 01-06-2017, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

Red zone run defense has been solid this season.

because we are in a short field then and don't pull everyone back

We don't seem to be able to defend the run and the pass equally at the same time. We either pull back or we clog up front.

Maybe we can and Sutton is just worried we can't

we are going to find out if we play the steelers.

NJChiefsFan · 01-06-2017, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

EVERY time CP says this about a player, it doesn't play out that way. Most over dramatic drama queens i have EVER seen.

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

He will get yards, but hyperbole is ridiculous. Who do they have to match Reek/Kelce?

Don't you find a little hyperbole in your first statement here as well?

Ribbing aside, overall you are correct that many times players and teams don't always fulfill dream paper matchups. That isn't just kc though. Happens in the national media, fantasy, ect. And when they are wrong they ignore it and predict more things the next week and laugh at any disagreement.

jspchief · 01-07-2017, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Who was the LB that lead the Chiefs 32 D with tackles?

Cause most of his tackles were 10-15 yards down field...

Mike Maslowski

WhiteWhale · 01-07-2017, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Donnie E

No, it was Mike Mozlaowsi.

KC never finished 32nd with Edwards in the middle, no matter how much some of you guys hated and blamed him.

The defense got much worse when he left.

milkman · 01-07-2017, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

No, it was Mike Mozlaowsi.

KC never finished 32nd with Edwards in the middle, no matter how much some of you guys hated and blamed him.

The defense got much worse when he left.

I was almost certainly the most vocal critic of Donnie Edwards, but I never blamed him for the poor run defense of those Chiefs teams.

He was just widely over rated by most fans.

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