***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by Swanman

That would be a nonstarter in congress. I would tie vaccinations to a tax credit but that also wouldn't pass our shitty congress.

It doesn't really matter how good the incentives are, people have their minds made up. So now we go to the punishment phase and I am all for it. Imagine if this crap went on back when the polio vaccine came out.

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There are plenty of sheep out there who would quickly get the jab if it came with a grand in their pocket. They might lie to all their loony tune friends about it, that is already happening.

[Swanman]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

There are plenty of sheep out there who would quickly get the jab if it came with a grand in their pocket. They might lie to all their loony tune friends about it, that is already happening.

Here is an out of the box idea - have gofundme institute a vaccine mandate so anti vaxxers can't beg for money to pay for covid medical costs. I am shocked but not surprised how many of the horsepasters have no insurance.

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[Delano]

My dad got a booster dose a few days ago. He’s very high risk with arthritis-stiffened lungs. I was surprised this was an option considering there is an open debate about boosters.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Delano

My dad got a booster dose a few days ago. He’s very high risk with arthritis-stiffened lungs. I was surprised this was an option considering there is an open debate about boosters.

The debate is around whether the immunity boost is significant enough to be warranted for healthy people. I don't think that there's much debate that boosters help at least a little, which is important for those who are at risk.

[Swanman]

Originally Posted by DaFace

The debate is around whether the immunity boost is significant enough to be warranted for healthy people. I don't think that there's much debate that boosters help at least a little, which is important for those who are at risk.

There was a study around J&J that showed a much more robust immune response with a second shot. My parents are both over 65 so they will be getting a Pfizer or Moderna booster before too long.

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[suzzer99]

This is the mentality we're up against. I only want to hear opinions from other people who think for themselves, and also they have to agree with me!

[suzzer99]

On the positive side, while the woman above will never be converted (she's on a ventilator now btw), the vaxx hesitant are not a lost cause:

anti-vaccine guy was convinced by the nursing subreddit to get his shot �� pic.twitter.com/UueYF5MsJN

— ryan cooper (@ryanlcooper) September 21, 2021

[Swanman]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

This is the mentality we're up against. I only want to hear opinions from other people who think for themselves, and also they have to agree with me!

Good old Laura looks like a decent candidate for a Herman Cain Award. I bet her Facebook timeline is a real treasure.

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[TLO]

There's really nothing new to talk about in here these days. Get vaccinated.. You'll be fine. Don't get vaccinated... Take your chances. /end

*bonus round*

Still not sold on boosters.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

This is the mentality we're up against. I only want to hear opinions from other people who think for themselves, and also they have to agree with me!

People talk about the poor anti vaxxers who are being ridiculed and treated meanly, but god damn look at the shit those idiots are posting on social media. Constantly gloating that they didn't get the vaccine and how everyone that did get it are idiots, then they end up dying and crying for help.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

People talk about the poor anti vaxxers who are being ridiculed and treated meanly, but god damn look at the shit those idiots are posting on social media. Constantly gloating that they didn't get the vaccine and how everyone that did get it are idiots, then they end up dying and crying for help.

The high profile people who were gloating before they were crying for help aren't very sympathetic figures. But there are plenty of people who weren't internet trolls but did live in a social bubble/echo chamber who were far more deluded than dumb.

I think that is worth keeping in mind.

[Swanman]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

People talk about the poor anti vaxxers who are being ridiculed and treated meanly, but god damn look at the shit those idiots are posting on social media. Constantly gloating that they didn't get the vaccine and how everyone that did get it are idiots, then they end up dying and crying for help.

So many anti-vaxxers follow the same pattern on social media Its nothing but the same 10 or 15 anti-mask/anti-vaccine memes and a sprinkling of racism with many. Then they get covid and proclaim it is no joke. Then requests for prayer warriors. Then a funeral/medical expense gofundme. And 98% of them are fat white dudes with goatees. As a fat white guy with a goatee, I am very glad I am vaccinated.

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[jdubya]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

It's fascinating that these idiots are actually following "our current VP, Newsome and Cuomo" regarding the vaccine.

Maybe just as fascinating as those who voted for these folks?

[Swanman]

Had to listen to an idiot while getting my hair cut Monday about how he doesn't need the vaccine because he has lifetime natural immunity because he had covid in January 2020. First off, who knows if he even had it since no tests were available then. He could have had an antibody test at some point but he didn't strike me as the type to put in the effort. And secondly, people have been infected 2 and 3 times, especially once the OG strain started mutating. And lastly, no non-facebook doctor or scientist has claimed there is lifetime immunity, especially with variants.

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[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by Swanman

Had to listen to an idiot while getting my hair cut Monday about how he doesn't need the vaccine because he has lifetime natural immunity because he had covid in January 2020. First off, who knows if he even had it since no tests were available then. He could have had an antibody test at some point but he didn't strike me as the type to put in the effort. And secondly, people have been infected 2 and 3 times, especially once the OG strain started mutating. And lastly, no non-facebook doctor or scientist has claimed there is lifetime immunity, especially with variants.

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Most, if not all, the immunity studies I've seen on people who recovered from COVID show they likely have long term, if not lifetime, immunity. At least one did bone marrow samples to check for immunity cells there and found them.

Even people who only had mild cases. Asymptomatic cases are still under study last I looked, though I saw at least one that was pointing to them also having at least some natural immunity.

Not a case for skipping the shot. Studies have also shown that getting the shot after recovering from COVID provides better protection than just having had the vaccination alone or natural immunity alone.