DT Thread

[RunKC]

This is a pretty solid DT class with some talent we could use.

Jer’Zhan Newton
Byron Murphy
T'Vondre Sweat
Maason Smith
Kris Jenkins
Michael Hall Jr
Leonard Taylor
Brandon Fiske
Darius Robinson

Which ones do you think fit us most?

[Couch-Potato]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Sweat went 5.27 at 366lbs that is incredibly impressive.

He looked very athletic running that 40 also.

Made me want to get out my stop watch and see where I'd land.

I'm 6-3, 215, and fairly athletic but something tells me I'd run similar time lol.

...I'm plenty out of shape these days.

[Couch-Potato]

Justin Jefferson leading 34 reps on the bench press is another feather in his cap after the Sr Bowl, good for him.

[RunKC]

Big fan of Ruke Orhorhoro

Tops in size, 40, 10 split and the bench. His tape looks really good and he’s had really n is production.

Feels like a nice option at 64

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Big fan of Ruke Orhorhoro

Tops in size, 40, 10 split and the bench. His tape looks really good and he’s had really n is production.

Feels like a nice option at 64

That's my guy at DT in round 2 as well.

DeWayne Carter or Mekhi Wingo in round 3.

[Couch-Potato]

I guess Sweat is dropping down NFL boards because he's seen as a 2-down player.

Have noticed it discussed on two different videos/podcasts and he currently going late rd 2 - rd 3 on PFF.

Interesting.

[JohnnyHammersticks]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Big fan of Ruke Orhorhoro

Tops in size, 40, 10 split and the bench. His tape looks really good and he’s had really n is production.

Feels like a nice option at 64

I've picked him with our 2nd in several simulations. I think he'd be a good addition to the DL.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

I guess Sweat is dropping down NFL boards because he's seen as a 2-down player.

Have noticed it discussed on two different videos/podcasts and he currently going late rd 2 - rd 3 on PFF.

Interesting.

{sigh}

I hate draft Twitter sometimes...

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'm going to hope that the relative disappointment of Mazi Smith and other DTs taken in the first of late pushes Sweat to us in the 2nd. Because as has been noted, 30-40 snaps in a game is all you can likely ask of him. Is that a guy teams will want in the 1st? Or rebuilding teams drafting higher in the 2nd? And once a guy gets around 50, all bets are off as the boards diverge a lot around there.

This is from early February. Nothing here is new. No, he's not 'dropping down draft boards' -- NFL teams have known this for month. And I only say this because I've known this for months and I'm just some idiot on the internet.

But when Daniel Jeremiah finally starts paying attention this time of year, he can't say "oh, well my opinion of him has changed..."

No, he has to say it's the NFL writ large that has changed its mind and now he's 'dropping down draft boards'...

The hell he is - you're just finally catching up.

[kccrow]

No way is Sweat going to be there at 64 IMO. He has far too much value to a 3-4 team as a NT. I'd say Arizona at the top of the 2nd is an easy projection. Atlanta makes sense as they move to a 3-4. The Rams make a ton of sense as well.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by kccrow

No way is Sweat going to be there at 64 IMO. He has far too much value to a 3-4 team as a NT. I'd say Arizona at the top of the 2nd is an easy projection. Atlanta makes sense as they move to a 3-4. The Rams make a ton of sense as well.

He's a bit of an outlier from the ordinary NT in that he's probably the best NT prospect in the draft. And so sometimes that gets those guys to go where they're projected (the 'best of breed' phenomenon I noted earlier; teams will go sooner on a guy they see as the best of the entire lot at that position, even if he's only 5% better and they may not take that next best guy until the 3rd round).

But it seems like every single season, NTs drop. And they drop a LOT. I mean look at Coburn - Folks had him as early as a mid 3rd and about as late as I ever recalled seeing saw mid 5th. He went late 6. And it seems to happen every season with NTs.

Once they start to slide, they sliiiiiiiiiide. And it's because of a lack of scheme versatility.

Oh sure, Sweat makes a lot of sense to Arizona. But what if the board falls in such a way that he's the 2nd guy on their board - that's not unlikely, is it? And if he slips there, there aren't 8 teams behind Arizona that utilize NTs. So he may just keep sliding.

Those guys that lack scheme versatility tend to slide. And I think it's fair to say that Sweat, as a guy who almost certainly ends up as a 2-down 0-technique is a guy who lacks scheme versatility.

I just don't think it's impossible.

[Couch-Potato]

Do you like Newton or Murphy?

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

He's a bit of an outlier from the ordinary NT in that he's probably the best NT prospect in the draft. And so sometimes that gets those guys to go where they're projected (the 'best of breed' phenomenon I noted earlier; teams will go sooner on a guy they see as the best of the entire lot at that position, even if he's only 5% better and they may not take that next best guy until the 3rd round).

But it seems like every single season, NTs drop. And they drop a LOT. I mean look at Coburn - Folks had him as early as a mid 3rd and about as late as I ever recalled seeing saw mid 5th. He went late 6. And it seems to happen every season with NTs.

Once they start to slide, they sliiiiiiiiiide. And it's because of a lack of scheme versatility.

Oh sure, Sweat makes a lot of sense to Arizona. But what if the board falls in such a way that he's the 2nd guy on their board - that's not unlikely, is it? And if he slips there, there aren't 8 teams behind Arizona that utilize NTs. So he may just keep sliding.

Those guys that lack scheme versatility tend to slide. And I think it's fair to say that Sweat, as a guy who almost certainly ends up as a 2-down 0-technique is a guy who lacks scheme versatility.

I just don't think it's impossible.

I don't think he's any less of a player in a 4-3 as a 1T. He's scheme versatile IMO. I'm also not overly sold that he's purely a 2-down player. He's not a 3rd-and-long player but he can certainly push the pocket and force doubles even on 3rd-and-medium. He's a lot more athletic than he's being penciled in as IMO. What I'm trying to say is he looks more Vita Vea than he's not to me, which means more of a 60% player.

[Couch-Potato]

Saw that Aaron Donald scored a 90+ PFF Defensive Grade every season of his career, including his rookie year. As a reference, there were only 4 players that scored 90+ last season.

[Chris Meck]

With the re-signing of Jones, I don't care about DT anymore.

We just need a cheap run plugger, another Pennel.

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

With the re-signing of Jones, I don't care about DT anymore.

We just need a cheap run plugger, another Pennel.

Where is the depth at 3T, in your opinion? Wharton alone? Not suggesting we should do something silly like go get Donald, but surely this remains a position of concern for me.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Where is the depth at 3T, in your opinion? Wharton alone? Not suggesting we should do something silly like go get Donald, but surely this remains a position of concern for me.

How many 3t's do you want to carry on your 53?