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Old 02-28-2009, 02:57 PM  
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Carl Peterson Part Deux

This all seems very familiar. Carl liked to trade picks for veterans that got everyone excited. The only difference is that it looks like Pioli spent a little less in terms of draft picks to get them.


With that said I am not a fan of Cassel.




What does everyone else think?
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Old 02-28-2009, 06:44 PM   #46
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Old 02-28-2009, 06:47 PM   #47
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It is amazing, Mr. notorious, I must admit.

It's kind of like that phenomenon described in quantum mechanics where the same particle can co-exist in two, distinct, space-time locations simultaneously.

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Pauli Exclusion Principle? Wait, that is what they used to believe.......
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Old 03-08-2009, 03:26 PM   #48
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Old 03-08-2009, 05:25 PM   #49
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I didn't realize that Cassel is considered a veteran... I don't think it's possible to be 26 and be considered a veteran.
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Old 03-08-2009, 05:28 PM   #50
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I didn't realize that Cassel is considered a veteran... I don't think it's possible to be 26 and be considered a veteran.
Dude, after 16 games, you're not only an overpaid veteran, you're on your way out - everyone knows that.
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Old 03-08-2009, 05:51 PM   #51
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It's 27 year old QB and a high quality veteran for ONE pick.
Also, the QB did not recently have his knee destroyed.
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Old 03-08-2009, 06:11 PM   #52
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This all seems very familiar. Carl liked to trade picks for veterans that got everyone excited. The only difference is that it looks like Pioli spent a little less in terms of draft picks to get them.


With that said I am not a fan of Cassel.




What does everyone else think?
Isn't it funny that one of Carl's first moves was to trade for the top NFL back-up QB. For those of you too you to remember his name was Steve Pelluer, and he played for the Cowboys. The media and the fans were so excited that the Chiefs had a franchise QB to build around. The song remains the same.
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Old 03-08-2009, 06:16 PM   #53
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Where did I same they were the same? Similar, but not the same. Pioli still has a boat load of draft picks in his pocket.
Starting a dumbass thread titled Carl Peterson Part Deux would be my first guess.
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Old 03-08-2009, 06:37 PM   #54
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Isn't it funny that one of Carl's first moves was to trade for the top NFL back-up QB. For those of you too you to remember his name was Steve Pelluer, and he played for the Cowboys. The media and the fans were so excited that the Chiefs had a franchise QB to build around. The song remains the same.
What did steve pueller ever do with the cowboys that was remotely close to cassel leading the patriots to an 11-5 record?
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Old 03-08-2009, 06:42 PM   #55
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I agree that on paper it is a hell of a value. I got pissed when I heard we traded for Cassel expecting that we gave up a lot. I felt better when they released it was a two players for one pick deal. Eased the pain, but I am still not sold on Cassel.

We have to get a coach that will continue his development. That is key. NE's coaches are light-years ahead of us in terms of handling QB's.
Well we are glad you are feeling better about the trade.
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Old 03-08-2009, 08:26 PM   #56
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Old 03-08-2009, 08:41 PM   #57
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I think the point of this thread is that Carl Peterson and Scott Pioli are both general managers who make trades. Therefore they are the same.
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Old 03-08-2009, 08:43 PM   #58
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What did steve pueller ever do with the cowboys that was remotely close to cassel leading the patriots to an 11-5 record?
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Pelluer is a lot more like Thigpen than Cassel.
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Old 03-08-2009, 08:45 PM   #59
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Starting a dumbass thread titled Carl Peterson Part Deux would be my first guess.


Nice and agreed.
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Old 03-09-2009, 08:17 AM   #60
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Isn't it funny that one of Carl's first moves was to trade for the top NFL back-up QB. For those of you too you to remember his name was Steve Pelluer, and he played for the Cowboys. The media and the fans were so excited that the Chiefs had a franchise QB to build around. The song remains the same.
Wow, talk about revisionist history. Apparently, you are not one of those that remember.

Steve Pelluer started for 12 games in 1986, he went 4-8, had a 67.9 passer rating and threw 17 ints versus 8 TD's.

He was going to be the starting QB in 1987, but was injured. He was able to play four games in 1987, going 2-2. He managed to throw three TD's and only Two INT's, giving him a whopping QB rating of 75.9. (his best seasonal QB rating as a Cowboy when starting at least one game) In 1988 he was the full time starter. He managed to throw 17 Td's, but also threw 19 interceptions, had a whopping 73.9 passer rating and led the team to a 3-13 record.

Now, lets further delve into this 'trade', that is so similar. The Cowboys were 9-7 and 10-6 in 1984/1985. In 1986, I believe they were 3-1 when Pelluer took over. They went on to post a 7-9 record. (4-8 under Pelluer). The next two years were some of the worst of the Dallas Cowboys organization. Both, Pelluer was a large part of.

Now, lets look even further. Pelluer was HOLDING out from the Cowboys because the Cowboys had drafted two QB's in Aikman and Walsh. The trade wasn't completed until the day of the trading deadline in 1989.

Now, lets look at compensation. Yes, the Chiefs just gave up a high second round pick for Cassel. But, they also got a veteran linebacker. What is Vrabel worth?

It is really hard to say. There were many on this board that thought Vrabel for a fifth or lower was good value. I didn't agree. But, let's just say a seventh round pick. So, subtract out that value, that puts the Chiefs' compensation down around a mid second round pick for Cassel.

In 1989, the Chiefs gave up two picks for Pelluer. An eigth and a fourth. Two things that you need to consider here. In 1990 and 1991, the two drafts that the traded picks came out of, there were fewer teams, (28), AND more teams used the supplemental draft. Colleges were not quite as good at keeping their players eligible back then AND there was no free agency.

So, in 1990, the eighth round pick would actually be a seventh by today's standards. Maybe even as high as a low sixth round pick when we factor in the supplemental picks.

In 1991, (After Pelluer was already a bust here) the Chiefs gave up the 23rd selection in the fourth round. That translates to about the 10th selection in the fourth round today.

Those two picks together probably have a combined value of a mid third round pick.

So, the Chiefs gave up more value to get Cassel by about a full round. But, they also got a guy with a winning record, who was part of a winning organization, who trained behind a HOF QB, who had a good QB rating, who isn't holding out because he is scared of two rookie QB's, and who actually threw more TD's than INT's.

But other than that, the trades are 'very similar'.

Now, Whitlock, get back to writing your ridiculous BS for the star. The readers in here are far too intelligent to be subjected to your slanted whiny BS.
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